1 00:00:03,350 --> 00:00:01,910 i was on facebook one day and then i 2 00:00:07,490 --> 00:00:03,360 found this video 3 00:00:13,509 --> 00:00:11,350 [Applause] 4 00:00:16,040 --> 00:00:13,519 it was the worst video i've ever seen he 5 00:00:17,670 --> 00:00:16,050 needs to be stopped immediately 6 00:00:19,990 --> 00:00:17,680 [Music] 7 00:00:21,750 --> 00:00:20,000 people went nuts 8 00:00:25,349 --> 00:00:21,760 that's a clip from the netflix 9 00:00:28,470 --> 00:00:25,359 documentary don't with cats which 10 00:00:31,189 --> 00:00:28,480 is about well about many things one 11 00:00:34,310 --> 00:00:31,199 about people who do very very horribly 12 00:00:36,229 --> 00:00:34,320 evil things and maybe i guess a bit of 13 00:00:38,069 --> 00:00:36,239 light at the end of the tunnel how there 14 00:00:40,869 --> 00:00:38,079 does come a point when people are 15 00:00:43,510 --> 00:00:40,879 willing to face evil and collectively 16 00:00:45,190 --> 00:00:43,520 try and fight evil it's so documentary 17 00:00:48,709 --> 00:00:45,200 worth watching but it also has an 18 00:00:51,990 --> 00:00:48,719 interesting corollary with today's show 19 00:00:54,869 --> 00:00:52,000 in my interview with very excellent dr 20 00:00:56,709 --> 00:00:54,879 pam popper if you don't know pam if you 21 00:00:59,590 --> 00:00:56,719 don't know her story she's the one who 22 00:01:02,150 --> 00:00:59,600 made the governor of her home state ohio 23 00:01:04,229 --> 00:01:02,160 back down and do an about-face regarding 24 00:01:06,310 --> 00:01:04,239 his fear-based ridiculous health 25 00:01:08,390 --> 00:01:06,320 policies so we talked about a lot of 26 00:01:10,789 --> 00:01:08,400 things she's very inspirational but we 27 00:01:13,429 --> 00:01:10,799 also talked about whether we can really 28 00:01:16,230 --> 00:01:13,439 crack the case the same way the don't 29 00:01:18,230 --> 00:01:16,240 with cats people did 30 00:01:20,070 --> 00:01:18,240 they get a lot of swings at the plate 31 00:01:21,350 --> 00:01:20,080 you know what i mean so 32 00:01:26,230 --> 00:01:21,360 it ain't over 33 00:01:28,149 --> 00:01:26,240 every every swing at the plate gets care 34 00:01:30,870 --> 00:01:28,159 more careless that's the thing that to 35 00:01:33,510 --> 00:01:30,880 look at it gets more careless and it's 36 00:01:35,270 --> 00:01:33,520 less incremental and incremental is the 37 00:01:38,149 --> 00:01:35,280 only way you keep this going so what 38 00:01:39,910 --> 00:01:38,159 we're left with is the stupidest people 39 00:01:41,910 --> 00:01:39,920 in the country are the only ones left 40 00:01:43,670 --> 00:01:41,920 that are buying into this so you have 41 00:01:45,590 --> 00:01:43,680 people like me who from the get-go and 42 00:01:47,590 --> 00:01:45,600 you understood something was wrong you 43 00:01:49,190 --> 00:01:47,600 had people who are stupid beyond 44 00:01:50,789 --> 00:01:49,200 comprehension these are the sheep who 45 00:01:52,069 --> 00:01:50,799 are wearing masks in their cars and 46 00:01:54,389 --> 00:01:52,079 we're not going to do anything for those 47 00:01:55,990 --> 00:01:54,399 people this middle group of people 48 00:01:57,270 --> 00:01:56,000 are persuadable 49 00:01:58,950 --> 00:01:57,280 and those are the ones that are going to 50 00:02:02,069 --> 00:01:58,960 make the difference and they're coming 51 00:02:04,950 --> 00:02:02,079 our way they're not picking up anybody 52 00:02:06,069 --> 00:02:04,960 nobody is going to their side at this 53 00:02:08,309 --> 00:02:06,079 point in time 54 00:02:09,669 --> 00:02:08,319 like i said inspirational love to think 55 00:02:12,869 --> 00:02:09,679 that it's so 56 00:02:16,390 --> 00:02:12,879 but this being skeptico i also asked her 57 00:02:18,869 --> 00:02:16,400 about the evil spiritual angle and how 58 00:02:22,869 --> 00:02:18,879 we are to really understand at a deeper 59 00:02:24,869 --> 00:02:22,879 deeper level what's going on here 60 00:02:27,350 --> 00:02:24,879 i think that what we're dealing with is 61 00:02:29,510 --> 00:02:27,360 people who have no respect or regard for 62 00:02:32,229 --> 00:02:29,520 human life for any life 63 00:02:33,589 --> 00:02:32,239 i'm not a devoutly religious person 64 00:02:35,910 --> 00:02:33,599 although i 65 00:02:37,509 --> 00:02:35,920 think there's a god there's something i 66 00:02:39,350 --> 00:02:37,519 think it's god 67 00:02:41,750 --> 00:02:39,360 and i think that this is a battle 68 00:02:43,589 --> 00:02:41,760 between good and evil it's not the first 69 00:02:46,470 --> 00:02:43,599 time it's happened 70 00:02:48,150 --> 00:02:46,480 i am a fan of viktor frankl's book man's 71 00:02:49,509 --> 00:02:48,160 search remaining 72 00:02:51,830 --> 00:02:49,519 and so 73 00:02:54,630 --> 00:02:51,840 whether you believe in god or not i 74 00:02:57,270 --> 00:02:54,640 think that all people who have character 75 00:02:59,589 --> 00:02:57,280 respect other humans and we respect 76 00:03:01,750 --> 00:02:59,599 human life we respect all life to a 77 00:03:03,670 --> 00:03:01,760 certain extent the animals and the birds 78 00:03:05,030 --> 00:03:03,680 and the trees and we have some respect 79 00:03:06,869 --> 00:03:05,040 for everything 80 00:03:09,030 --> 00:03:06,879 and all beings 81 00:03:12,229 --> 00:03:09,040 the thing with evil people 82 00:03:14,790 --> 00:03:12,239 is that they respect nobody and nothing 83 00:03:17,110 --> 00:03:14,800 except for their quest for power 84 00:03:18,550 --> 00:03:17,120 dr pam popper was a great guest i really 85 00:03:21,270 --> 00:03:18,560 enjoyed talking to her and i hope you 86 00:03:23,750 --> 00:03:21,280 enjoy this interview too and if you do 87 00:03:25,430 --> 00:03:23,760 i'm gonna remind you that the only way i 88 00:03:27,990 --> 00:03:25,440 get these interviews out 89 00:03:30,710 --> 00:03:28,000 is by you sharing them with other people 90 00:03:32,470 --> 00:03:30,720 appreciating them and sharing them so we 91 00:03:34,390 --> 00:03:32,480 can spread this kind of information you 92 00:03:36,550 --> 00:03:34,400 hear this interview with pam popper 93 00:03:38,710 --> 00:03:36,560 you're not going to hear anything quite 94 00:03:40,789 --> 00:03:38,720 like it that gets into these topics 95 00:03:43,190 --> 00:03:40,799 she's done some great interviews but i 96 00:03:44,070 --> 00:03:43,200 think this kind of has a different voice 97 00:03:46,630 --> 00:03:44,080 and 98 00:03:48,070 --> 00:03:46,640 i want to see if we can share this voice 99 00:03:49,270 --> 00:03:48,080 help share the interview help grow 100 00:03:51,430 --> 00:03:49,280 skeptico 101 00:03:53,270 --> 00:03:51,440 here's dr pam popper 102 00:03:55,910 --> 00:03:53,280 welcome to skeptica where we explore 103 00:03:58,630 --> 00:03:55,920 controversial science and spirituality 104 00:04:01,030 --> 00:03:58,640 with leading researchers thinkers and 105 00:04:03,509 --> 00:04:01,040 their critics i'm your host alex sacaris 106 00:04:05,750 --> 00:04:03,519 and today we welcome pam popper to 107 00:04:08,470 --> 00:04:05,760 skeptico pam is the founder and 108 00:04:11,429 --> 00:04:08,480 president of wellness forum health 109 00:04:14,630 --> 00:04:11,439 author of covet operation 110 00:04:17,990 --> 00:04:14,640 and a very inspiring 111 00:04:21,670 --> 00:04:18,000 health advocate science advocate 112 00:04:23,909 --> 00:04:21,680 heck advocate for truth justice freedom 113 00:04:25,590 --> 00:04:23,919 and all that stuff we're supposed to 114 00:04:29,350 --> 00:04:25,600 care about 115 00:04:32,070 --> 00:04:29,360 and i i have to say you know it really 116 00:04:35,189 --> 00:04:32,080 it really really lifts my spirits 117 00:04:37,670 --> 00:04:35,199 to think that someone as smart as pam is 118 00:04:38,870 --> 00:04:37,680 as successful as pam is 119 00:04:43,030 --> 00:04:38,880 is willing 120 00:04:46,550 --> 00:04:43,040 to fight this battle that i have to say 121 00:04:47,830 --> 00:04:46,560 most of the time seems impossible to win 122 00:04:51,270 --> 00:04:47,840 and 123 00:04:53,030 --> 00:04:51,280 welcome 124 00:04:55,749 --> 00:04:53,040 thank you and i don't think it's 125 00:04:57,430 --> 00:04:55,759 impossible to win i'm in it to win it 126 00:04:59,830 --> 00:04:57,440 and i think we're gonna and i think we 127 00:05:01,909 --> 00:04:59,840 are winning it in many ways 128 00:05:04,310 --> 00:05:01,919 right on well we definitely need to talk 129 00:05:07,350 --> 00:05:04,320 about that uh you know i first i heard 130 00:05:09,590 --> 00:05:07,360 you on uh the higher side chats you did 131 00:05:12,950 --> 00:05:09,600 an excellent job greg carlwood did an 132 00:05:15,029 --> 00:05:12,960 excellent job and it reached 133 00:05:17,110 --> 00:05:15,039 cut i love that show it probably reached 134 00:05:19,189 --> 00:05:17,120 an audience that maybe you don't always 135 00:05:21,909 --> 00:05:19,199 reach but i was listening 136 00:05:25,909 --> 00:05:24,629 and then i was excited to i mean i 137 00:05:27,189 --> 00:05:25,919 really want to talk we have to talk 138 00:05:28,790 --> 00:05:27,199 about what you do and you have to 139 00:05:30,550 --> 00:05:28,800 deliver your message and tell people 140 00:05:32,390 --> 00:05:30,560 that but then i want to talk about some 141 00:05:35,510 --> 00:05:32,400 of the deeper aspects of that 142 00:05:37,029 --> 00:05:35,520 particularly as a regards is to science 143 00:05:39,350 --> 00:05:37,039 in general you've been at this for a 144 00:05:40,870 --> 00:05:39,360 long time it's not like you just popped 145 00:05:44,070 --> 00:05:40,880 your head up when 146 00:05:45,909 --> 00:05:44,080 this covet thing happened and there's a 147 00:05:49,029 --> 00:05:45,919 lot of implications for science where 148 00:05:51,990 --> 00:05:49,039 science is heading how viable 149 00:05:55,029 --> 00:05:52,000 science remains given how there it's 150 00:05:57,749 --> 00:05:55,039 it's just like completely overrun even 151 00:05:58,469 --> 00:05:57,759 in the time that i've done this show the 152 00:06:03,110 --> 00:05:58,479 the 153 00:06:05,830 --> 00:06:03,120 away with at every branch of science is 154 00:06:07,189 --> 00:06:05,840 just more extreme than it used to be and 155 00:06:09,350 --> 00:06:07,199 then there's a bunch of other stuff we 156 00:06:10,710 --> 00:06:09,360 we have to talk about but 157 00:06:14,629 --> 00:06:10,720 of course we have to start with the 158 00:06:18,629 --> 00:06:14,639 basics dr pam popper i mean 159 00:06:21,990 --> 00:06:18,639 even that title we could spend an hour 160 00:06:24,710 --> 00:06:22,000 on that title should i use dr pam popper 161 00:06:27,270 --> 00:06:24,720 should i not use who controls that 162 00:06:30,390 --> 00:06:27,280 who tries to limit that in terms of its 163 00:06:33,350 --> 00:06:30,400 use its regulations its laws and all the 164 00:06:36,150 --> 00:06:33,360 rest that heck you're ten times the 165 00:06:37,749 --> 00:06:36,160 doctor that of most of the doctors i've 166 00:06:40,230 --> 00:06:37,759 ever seen in my life but there's even 167 00:06:42,790 --> 00:06:40,240 some controversy about whether you 168 00:06:45,029 --> 00:06:42,800 should be called dr pam popper so let's 169 00:06:47,670 --> 00:06:45,039 start with just the very basics of who 170 00:06:50,309 --> 00:06:47,680 you are and how you came to do this work 171 00:06:52,629 --> 00:06:50,319 yeah so i came to this from an outside 172 00:06:55,270 --> 00:06:52,639 position right so i got i didn't get 173 00:06:57,189 --> 00:06:55,280 interested in health at all until i was 174 00:06:59,670 --> 00:06:57,199 in my mid-30s 175 00:07:01,430 --> 00:06:59,680 and uh quite accidentally i mean i i 176 00:07:03,029 --> 00:07:01,440 wasn't very health-conscious i came from 177 00:07:06,390 --> 00:07:03,039 a business background i was in direct 178 00:07:08,550 --> 00:07:06,400 sales and i was a trainer sales trainer 179 00:07:10,790 --> 00:07:08,560 and um and sometimes when you come from 180 00:07:12,309 --> 00:07:10,800 the outside into something it just it 181 00:07:13,909 --> 00:07:12,319 gives you a different perspective and i 182 00:07:15,749 --> 00:07:13,919 think that's what healthcare needs is a 183 00:07:16,870 --> 00:07:15,759 completely different perspective and 184 00:07:19,029 --> 00:07:16,880 approach 185 00:07:20,790 --> 00:07:19,039 so i got interested in eating better i 186 00:07:23,189 --> 00:07:20,800 mean you know this is people don't 187 00:07:24,790 --> 00:07:23,199 realize but back then i was fat 188 00:07:27,510 --> 00:07:24,800 i was unhealthy 189 00:07:29,909 --> 00:07:27,520 i was sedentary 190 00:07:31,589 --> 00:07:29,919 and health was about number 29 on my 191 00:07:32,870 --> 00:07:31,599 list so it all started like it does with 192 00:07:34,710 --> 00:07:32,880 a lot of people i'm going to get myself 193 00:07:36,629 --> 00:07:34,720 in some kind of shape which i did and 194 00:07:38,790 --> 00:07:36,639 then that got me interested but 195 00:07:41,830 --> 00:07:38,800 but i made an interesting discovery 196 00:07:44,550 --> 00:07:41,840 early in my career very early 197 00:07:45,350 --> 00:07:44,560 and that was the problem was the way in 198 00:07:47,270 --> 00:07:45,360 which 199 00:07:49,510 --> 00:07:47,280 conclusions are reached in healthcare 200 00:07:53,110 --> 00:07:49,520 that was like my aha moment 201 00:07:54,629 --> 00:07:53,120 and so i i thought gosh i've been misled 202 00:07:56,550 --> 00:07:54,639 on almost everything i thought i 203 00:07:59,189 --> 00:07:56,560 understood about health my whole life 204 00:08:01,029 --> 00:07:59,199 how did that happen and everybody else 205 00:08:02,469 --> 00:08:01,039 appears to be equally misled how does 206 00:08:04,390 --> 00:08:02,479 that happen and how you solve it so 207 00:08:06,629 --> 00:08:04,400 that's where the concept of informed 208 00:08:07,830 --> 00:08:06,639 medical decision making came from all 209 00:08:10,150 --> 00:08:07,840 right 210 00:08:12,629 --> 00:08:10,160 i have an alternative education and it 211 00:08:15,189 --> 00:08:12,639 was frankly not very good but there are 212 00:08:17,270 --> 00:08:15,199 people who have harvard 213 00:08:18,390 --> 00:08:17,280 harvard degrees yale degrees stanford 214 00:08:23,749 --> 00:08:18,400 degrees 215 00:08:25,670 --> 00:08:23,759 graduated first in his class 216 00:08:28,070 --> 00:08:25,680 and and they are totally incompetent so 217 00:08:30,309 --> 00:08:28,080 it's not about credentials right 218 00:08:31,990 --> 00:08:30,319 so i came up with this idea that really 219 00:08:33,430 --> 00:08:32,000 should not be so outside the box and 220 00:08:35,670 --> 00:08:33,440 it's remarkable to me that i've been 221 00:08:37,829 --> 00:08:35,680 using it in my business for 27 years and 222 00:08:39,589 --> 00:08:37,839 nobody pays any attention to it here it 223 00:08:41,350 --> 00:08:39,599 is i hope you're sitting down this is 224 00:08:42,310 --> 00:08:41,360 good because it's groundbreaking all 225 00:08:43,509 --> 00:08:42,320 right 226 00:08:45,990 --> 00:08:43,519 how about 227 00:08:47,350 --> 00:08:46,000 if instead of just talking about the 228 00:08:49,829 --> 00:08:47,360 science and 229 00:08:52,150 --> 00:08:49,839 evidence and scientific how about if we 230 00:08:53,269 --> 00:08:52,160 have rules for filtering scientific 231 00:08:54,710 --> 00:08:53,279 information 232 00:08:57,750 --> 00:08:54,720 what if we have pre-established rules 233 00:08:59,829 --> 00:08:57,760 like the way we play football all right 234 00:09:01,509 --> 00:08:59,839 so so you could say well how do you how 235 00:09:03,350 --> 00:09:01,519 do you play football well a group couple 236 00:09:04,790 --> 00:09:03,360 groups of people get together they run 237 00:09:06,310 --> 00:09:04,800 up and down the field for an hour and 238 00:09:08,389 --> 00:09:06,320 then at the end we try to figure out who 239 00:09:10,150 --> 00:09:08,399 won that's the way we do 240 00:09:12,470 --> 00:09:10,160 science right 241 00:09:14,470 --> 00:09:12,480 so we don't play football that way the 242 00:09:16,710 --> 00:09:14,480 quarters are 15 minutes there's a set 243 00:09:19,269 --> 00:09:16,720 number of people on each team a first 244 00:09:21,190 --> 00:09:19,279 down is always 10 yards a field goal 245 00:09:22,710 --> 00:09:21,200 always goes through the posts and we 246 00:09:24,710 --> 00:09:22,720 know what a touchdown is and at the end 247 00:09:27,030 --> 00:09:24,720 of playing thousands of football games 248 00:09:29,430 --> 00:09:27,040 every year we have five plays we fuss 249 00:09:31,110 --> 00:09:29,440 and argue about maybe 10 and we all know 250 00:09:32,949 --> 00:09:31,120 who won the games right 251 00:09:33,750 --> 00:09:32,959 so what if you came up with those rules 252 00:09:35,509 --> 00:09:33,760 for 253 00:09:38,070 --> 00:09:35,519 looking at health and then it doesn't 254 00:09:39,590 --> 00:09:38,080 really matter who can who arrives at the 255 00:09:41,110 --> 00:09:39,600 conclusions using the rules in other 256 00:09:43,509 --> 00:09:41,120 words you could have an eighth grade 257 00:09:45,910 --> 00:09:43,519 education and if you knew how to use the 258 00:09:47,910 --> 00:09:45,920 rules your conclusions would be reliable 259 00:09:49,590 --> 00:09:47,920 without any medical education at all 260 00:09:50,790 --> 00:09:49,600 which makes whatever you call me 261 00:09:52,389 --> 00:09:50,800 irrelevant 262 00:09:54,230 --> 00:09:52,399 okay so what are our rules well i won't 263 00:09:56,310 --> 00:09:54,240 go through all 19 but i'll just give you 264 00:09:58,150 --> 00:09:56,320 three or four and who's going to argue 265 00:09:59,829 --> 00:09:58,160 with us should we look at conflicts of 266 00:10:01,670 --> 00:09:59,839 interest i don't know any sensible 267 00:10:03,990 --> 00:10:01,680 person who would say no that doesn't 268 00:10:05,590 --> 00:10:04,000 make any difference right well how about 269 00:10:08,310 --> 00:10:05,600 things that are statistically 270 00:10:10,389 --> 00:10:08,320 significant but clinically meaningless 271 00:10:12,230 --> 00:10:10,399 okay so a statin drug for primary 272 00:10:14,870 --> 00:10:12,240 prevention reduces your risk of a heart 273 00:10:17,030 --> 00:10:14,880 attack by seven tenths of a percent 274 00:10:19,269 --> 00:10:17,040 statistically significant 275 00:10:20,949 --> 00:10:19,279 meaningless to a person right 276 00:10:22,630 --> 00:10:20,959 okay how about this one 277 00:10:24,870 --> 00:10:22,640 correlation 278 00:10:26,389 --> 00:10:24,880 does not mean cause and effect here's a 279 00:10:28,790 --> 00:10:26,399 correlation 280 00:10:30,389 --> 00:10:28,800 people women in countries where they're 281 00:10:32,630 --> 00:10:30,399 getting more driver's licenses have a 282 00:10:34,710 --> 00:10:32,640 higher risk of breast cancer so if we're 283 00:10:36,310 --> 00:10:34,720 going to use correlation all women 284 00:10:38,790 --> 00:10:36,320 should surrender their driver's license 285 00:10:40,710 --> 00:10:38,800 tomorrow because clearly driving causes 286 00:10:41,509 --> 00:10:40,720 breast cancer now we know that's crazy 287 00:10:43,829 --> 00:10:41,519 right 288 00:10:46,069 --> 00:10:43,839 but we use that type of thinking every 289 00:10:47,350 --> 00:10:46,079 day to arrive at conclusion so so we 290 00:10:49,590 --> 00:10:47,360 don't need to go through all of them but 291 00:10:51,269 --> 00:10:49,600 basically my argument has been i don't 292 00:10:54,069 --> 00:10:51,279 care what you call me and i've been 293 00:10:56,150 --> 00:10:54,079 called some pretty unsavory things 294 00:10:58,710 --> 00:10:56,160 tell me the flaw in the thinking tell me 295 00:10:59,509 --> 00:10:58,720 which rule you want to pull out 296 00:11:01,670 --> 00:10:59,519 okay 297 00:11:03,590 --> 00:11:01,680 and i've never had anybody want to 298 00:11:06,470 --> 00:11:03,600 debate me on these things to write an 299 00:11:08,470 --> 00:11:06,480 article that refutes what i say 300 00:11:09,990 --> 00:11:08,480 and the reason is because they don't 301 00:11:11,910 --> 00:11:10,000 want to put themselves in the position 302 00:11:13,990 --> 00:11:11,920 of publicly saying 303 00:11:15,829 --> 00:11:14,000 i really think things that are 304 00:11:18,150 --> 00:11:15,839 meaningless to patient outcomes should 305 00:11:20,230 --> 00:11:18,160 be considered as viable scientific 306 00:11:21,829 --> 00:11:20,240 discoveries no who is going to say that 307 00:11:25,350 --> 00:11:21,839 do you think mr fauci would ever get on 308 00:11:27,030 --> 00:11:25,360 tv and say i disagree with pam popper 309 00:11:28,710 --> 00:11:27,040 because conflicts of interest really 310 00:11:31,030 --> 00:11:28,720 shouldn't be filtered into our decision 311 00:11:33,030 --> 00:11:31,040 making at all so so you shut up your 312 00:11:35,350 --> 00:11:33,040 critics i mean i have them out there 313 00:11:36,949 --> 00:11:35,360 they're like little background noise 314 00:11:39,509 --> 00:11:36,959 they don't really make any difference to 315 00:11:41,350 --> 00:11:39,519 me i don't call myself a doctor anymore 316 00:11:42,790 --> 00:11:41,360 notice on covet operation i didn't put 317 00:11:44,550 --> 00:11:42,800 my credentials or anything like i 318 00:11:47,430 --> 00:11:44,560 stopped that a long time ago to take 319 00:11:49,350 --> 00:11:47,440 that out of the equation let's focus on 320 00:11:51,750 --> 00:11:49,360 the evidence and how we reached a 321 00:11:53,269 --> 00:11:51,760 conclusion about it and you tell me 322 00:11:56,710 --> 00:11:53,279 where you want to take this apart and 323 00:11:57,750 --> 00:11:56,720 everybody just goes strangely silent 324 00:12:00,230 --> 00:11:57,760 okay 325 00:12:01,590 --> 00:12:00,240 i i think that's awesome 326 00:12:03,829 --> 00:12:01,600 it's discouraging though it's 327 00:12:05,350 --> 00:12:03,839 discouraging on a number of fronts in a 328 00:12:06,870 --> 00:12:05,360 number of ways you know we just did a 329 00:12:11,030 --> 00:12:06,880 show 330 00:12:12,310 --> 00:12:11,040 where we really dug into the latest yale 331 00:12:15,750 --> 00:12:12,320 stanford 332 00:12:18,389 --> 00:12:15,760 largest study ever on mask effectiveness 333 00:12:21,269 --> 00:12:18,399 nail in the coffin this is the quote 334 00:12:23,750 --> 00:12:21,279 from the guy at yale 335 00:12:25,990 --> 00:12:23,760 this should put an end to any scientific 336 00:12:28,470 --> 00:12:26,000 debate now you can't get much more 337 00:12:31,350 --> 00:12:28,480 unscientific than that but the same kind 338 00:12:35,110 --> 00:12:31,360 of thing it is it is a null result 339 00:12:36,949 --> 00:12:35,120 it is a huge lie it's a big lie and you 340 00:12:39,670 --> 00:12:36,959 know big lies are easier to hide than 341 00:12:42,710 --> 00:12:39,680 small lies but the the the point of it 342 00:12:46,069 --> 00:12:42,720 was here they are washington post new 343 00:12:47,030 --> 00:12:46,079 york times a pre-peer-reviewed 344 00:12:49,430 --> 00:12:47,040 paper 345 00:12:52,069 --> 00:12:49,440 i mean this is just 346 00:12:54,069 --> 00:12:52,079 like peer review has all the problems 347 00:12:55,590 --> 00:12:54,079 associated with it but i kind of hate 348 00:12:57,190 --> 00:12:55,600 when people even 349 00:12:59,990 --> 00:12:57,200 jump on peer review and go oh peer 350 00:13:02,470 --> 00:13:00,000 review is meaningless well it's it's not 351 00:13:04,069 --> 00:13:02,480 maybe what it used to be but we still 352 00:13:06,230 --> 00:13:04,079 need some 353 00:13:08,310 --> 00:13:06,240 we what's your what you're really 354 00:13:10,310 --> 00:13:08,320 talking about i guess i'm jumping around 355 00:13:13,190 --> 00:13:10,320 a little bit but i think 356 00:13:14,790 --> 00:13:13,200 the the common sense rules that you're 357 00:13:19,350 --> 00:13:14,800 talking about 358 00:13:22,069 --> 00:13:19,360 were there at some point some reasonably 359 00:13:24,710 --> 00:13:22,079 well i think never have been and peer 360 00:13:26,710 --> 00:13:24,720 review has always been a problem and the 361 00:13:29,430 --> 00:13:26,720 reason is but it has it 362 00:13:31,350 --> 00:13:29,440 at its core it's an attempt to get 363 00:13:33,750 --> 00:13:31,360 towards something that we want to get 364 00:13:35,430 --> 00:13:33,760 towards which is that we should be we 365 00:13:37,430 --> 00:13:35,440 should have a means we should have some 366 00:13:39,990 --> 00:13:37,440 it is that that playing field the 367 00:13:42,150 --> 00:13:40,000 referees to a certain extent no they're 368 00:13:44,470 --> 00:13:42,160 not and the problem is that the peer 369 00:13:46,230 --> 00:13:44,480 review process first of all you've got 370 00:13:48,150 --> 00:13:46,240 any more most of what's in the 371 00:13:50,310 --> 00:13:48,160 scientific literature is prepared by 372 00:13:52,710 --> 00:13:50,320 people with conflicts of interest 373 00:13:55,750 --> 00:13:52,720 and what we found out during covid what 374 00:13:57,430 --> 00:13:55,760 i've known for 25 30 years and everybody 375 00:13:59,189 --> 00:13:57,440 else who's paying attention found out 376 00:14:00,790 --> 00:13:59,199 during coping is that most the people 377 00:14:03,670 --> 00:14:00,800 signing off on these articles have never 378 00:14:04,949 --> 00:14:03,680 even seen the data they just sign off 379 00:14:07,750 --> 00:14:04,959 you have another problem with peer 380 00:14:09,350 --> 00:14:07,760 review and that is that you the experts 381 00:14:11,030 --> 00:14:09,360 i've i've argued for years that what you 382 00:14:12,949 --> 00:14:11,040 need is peer review from people who 383 00:14:15,829 --> 00:14:12,959 aren't in that industry so get a bunch 384 00:14:18,310 --> 00:14:15,839 of dentists to review virology because 385 00:14:20,150 --> 00:14:18,320 dentists can understand virology and if 386 00:14:22,470 --> 00:14:20,160 the findings are different than what the 387 00:14:24,470 --> 00:14:22,480 virologists in charge of research 388 00:14:25,670 --> 00:14:24,480 centers and the funding 389 00:14:27,350 --> 00:14:25,680 are saying 390 00:14:29,189 --> 00:14:27,360 the dentist would be more likely to call 391 00:14:31,670 --> 00:14:29,199 him out on it that virologists that have 392 00:14:33,750 --> 00:14:31,680 an interest in retaining the status quo 393 00:14:35,670 --> 00:14:33,760 so the conflicted nature of the peer 394 00:14:37,509 --> 00:14:35,680 review process makes it meaningless 395 00:14:39,590 --> 00:14:37,519 which is why our rules for filtering 396 00:14:41,829 --> 00:14:39,600 have to be there because the peer review 397 00:14:44,230 --> 00:14:41,839 itself doesn't mean anything at all 398 00:14:45,990 --> 00:14:44,240 you're just 95 of what's in medical 399 00:14:48,230 --> 00:14:46,000 journals that's peer-reviewed is 400 00:14:50,150 --> 00:14:48,240 absolutely inaccurate i can prove it if 401 00:14:52,150 --> 00:14:50,160 we just wanted to take one issue of one 402 00:14:53,670 --> 00:14:52,160 journal we can go through and apply my 403 00:14:55,430 --> 00:14:53,680 rules and again tell me which ones you 404 00:14:57,509 --> 00:14:55,440 want to take out and i'll show you that 405 00:14:59,590 --> 00:14:57,519 people at the best academic centers are 406 00:15:02,310 --> 00:14:59,600 all funded by the same people they're 407 00:15:05,110 --> 00:15:02,320 all working for the same people and as 408 00:15:07,030 --> 00:15:05,120 garbage absolute unmitigated garbage and 409 00:15:09,030 --> 00:15:07,040 if you don't know how to do that as a 410 00:15:11,030 --> 00:15:09,040 consumer then you're going to do what 411 00:15:12,870 --> 00:15:11,040 people tell you and they are conflicted 412 00:15:14,870 --> 00:15:12,880 and they are following the conflicted 413 00:15:16,710 --> 00:15:14,880 information and you're going to get hurt 414 00:15:19,509 --> 00:15:16,720 and that's how people get hurt every day 415 00:15:21,670 --> 00:15:19,519 and what i've heard for 27 years if i 416 00:15:23,670 --> 00:15:21,680 knew then what i know now 417 00:15:25,430 --> 00:15:23,680 i never would have done this whatever 418 00:15:28,389 --> 00:15:25,440 this is i wouldn't have eaten this 419 00:15:30,150 --> 00:15:28,399 god-awful diet that made me get sick i 420 00:15:32,150 --> 00:15:30,160 wouldn't have taken this drug that made 421 00:15:34,629 --> 00:15:32,160 me have cancer i wouldn't have had this 422 00:15:36,470 --> 00:15:34,639 procedure that rendered me an invalid i 423 00:15:38,949 --> 00:15:36,480 wouldn't have had this vaccine that made 424 00:15:40,870 --> 00:15:38,959 me have seizures 24 hours a day if i'd 425 00:15:42,710 --> 00:15:40,880 known then what i know now and my 426 00:15:46,389 --> 00:15:42,720 argument all along is if you're going to 427 00:15:48,230 --> 00:15:46,399 be a consumer you understand the need to 428 00:15:50,069 --> 00:15:48,240 look into things in every other aspect 429 00:15:52,310 --> 00:15:50,079 of your life and it really doesn't even 430 00:15:54,470 --> 00:15:52,320 have anything to do with respect for the 431 00:15:56,550 --> 00:15:54,480 doctors or whatever i respect my 432 00:15:58,470 --> 00:15:56,560 landlord but my last lease renewal was 433 00:16:00,550 --> 00:15:58,480 for a million dollars worth of rent and 434 00:16:02,069 --> 00:16:00,560 i read the document before i signed it 435 00:16:03,350 --> 00:16:02,079 because it's a million dollars for 436 00:16:05,110 --> 00:16:03,360 crying out loud it has nothing to do 437 00:16:07,350 --> 00:16:05,120 with do i like the guy or do i trust 438 00:16:09,509 --> 00:16:07,360 real estate people it has to do with 439 00:16:11,110 --> 00:16:09,519 sensible people look into these things 440 00:16:13,030 --> 00:16:11,120 before they do them and that's what i've 441 00:16:14,949 --> 00:16:13,040 been advocating for a long time the 442 00:16:16,790 --> 00:16:14,959 stakes are higher in medicine my 443 00:16:18,230 --> 00:16:16,800 landlord's not going to kill me but a 444 00:16:19,829 --> 00:16:18,240 wrong decision 445 00:16:21,829 --> 00:16:19,839 i mean i could end up bankrupt but my 446 00:16:23,350 --> 00:16:21,839 landlord's not going to kill me a wrong 447 00:16:24,550 --> 00:16:23,360 decision in health care could end your 448 00:16:26,949 --> 00:16:24,560 life early 449 00:16:29,509 --> 00:16:26,959 you know i i can't really put up an 450 00:16:31,269 --> 00:16:29,519 argument against what you're saying i i 451 00:16:34,310 --> 00:16:31,279 do try and find 452 00:16:37,430 --> 00:16:34,320 a path through this that 453 00:16:40,069 --> 00:16:37,440 i don't know seems reasonably uh likely 454 00:16:42,949 --> 00:16:40,079 to happen i kind of cut my teeth on this 455 00:16:45,030 --> 00:16:42,959 whole issue on with parapsychology 456 00:16:47,350 --> 00:16:45,040 because in the area of science that i 457 00:16:49,269 --> 00:16:47,360 cared about in terms of answering kind 458 00:16:52,069 --> 00:16:49,279 of the big picture who are we why are we 459 00:16:54,069 --> 00:16:52,079 here kind of thing and what i found 460 00:16:56,870 --> 00:16:54,079 is that here was a group of people that 461 00:16:59,269 --> 00:16:56,880 were doing science more rigorously more 462 00:17:00,389 --> 00:16:59,279 correctly than almost any other branch 463 00:17:02,310 --> 00:17:00,399 of science because they were always 464 00:17:03,749 --> 00:17:02,320 under attack and 465 00:17:05,189 --> 00:17:03,759 some of the journals that they publish 466 00:17:08,309 --> 00:17:05,199 in like the journal of scientific 467 00:17:10,230 --> 00:17:08,319 exploration you know top scientists 468 00:17:12,710 --> 00:17:10,240 major universities 469 00:17:15,429 --> 00:17:12,720 peer review open peer review where you 470 00:17:17,189 --> 00:17:15,439 can read who the reviewers are what 471 00:17:19,669 --> 00:17:17,199 their comments are and you can say 472 00:17:21,429 --> 00:17:19,679 that's legitimate criticism or you know 473 00:17:24,870 --> 00:17:21,439 whether it's hidden so 474 00:17:27,829 --> 00:17:24,880 i i guess what i what i found in in them 475 00:17:30,230 --> 00:17:27,839 in that group is a way that science 476 00:17:32,789 --> 00:17:30,240 really can function and move forward and 477 00:17:34,230 --> 00:17:32,799 i understand where it fails in so many 478 00:17:36,870 --> 00:17:34,240 other ways 479 00:17:39,830 --> 00:17:36,880 i just don't know 480 00:17:42,390 --> 00:17:39,840 this battle seems so big and i guess 481 00:17:43,510 --> 00:17:42,400 that's where we ought to talk next is 482 00:17:46,070 --> 00:17:43,520 about 483 00:17:48,070 --> 00:17:46,080 let's skip right past the science thing 484 00:17:50,390 --> 00:17:48,080 because i think we handled it in terms 485 00:17:51,750 --> 00:17:50,400 of how bad it is 486 00:17:54,870 --> 00:17:51,760 lawsuits 487 00:17:56,950 --> 00:17:54,880 versus legislation i really learned 488 00:17:57,909 --> 00:17:56,960 something when i heard 489 00:18:01,830 --> 00:17:57,919 your 490 00:18:03,029 --> 00:18:01,840 kind of take on why legislation doesn't 491 00:18:05,830 --> 00:18:03,039 work 492 00:18:07,110 --> 00:18:05,840 especially in this situation and why 493 00:18:09,590 --> 00:18:07,120 lawsuits 494 00:18:11,270 --> 00:18:09,600 might be a better path forward 495 00:18:12,950 --> 00:18:11,280 they're the only path forward it's the 496 00:18:14,870 --> 00:18:12,960 only branch of government we have that 497 00:18:17,350 --> 00:18:14,880 somewhat functions and notice i use the 498 00:18:18,549 --> 00:18:17,360 qualifier somewhat all right 499 00:18:21,669 --> 00:18:18,559 so 500 00:18:23,190 --> 00:18:21,679 let's talk about this because i'm in it 501 00:18:25,110 --> 00:18:23,200 to win it we're going to win it we are 502 00:18:26,070 --> 00:18:25,120 winning it all right so i'll clarify all 503 00:18:29,350 --> 00:18:26,080 that but 504 00:18:31,750 --> 00:18:29,360 but um when i started in my business 27 505 00:18:33,909 --> 00:18:31,760 years ago it was i think maybe four 506 00:18:35,909 --> 00:18:33,919 months before i got a state agency 507 00:18:37,830 --> 00:18:35,919 calling on me and that was my 508 00:18:39,750 --> 00:18:37,840 introduction to how corrupt all this 509 00:18:41,990 --> 00:18:39,760 stuff was really 510 00:18:44,150 --> 00:18:42,000 can you tell that story a little bit i 511 00:18:47,190 --> 00:18:44,160 was accused of practicing dietetics 512 00:18:48,870 --> 00:18:47,200 without a license and um and so it goes 513 00:18:50,870 --> 00:18:48,880 to the licensure scheme which is all 514 00:18:52,950 --> 00:18:50,880 about turf and title protection and i 515 00:18:54,870 --> 00:18:52,960 won that case it took five years i spent 516 00:18:56,789 --> 00:18:54,880 a lot of money and that's what got me 517 00:18:58,070 --> 00:18:56,799 involved in advocacy i'm not a neophyte 518 00:19:01,270 --> 00:18:58,080 at this rate 519 00:19:03,029 --> 00:19:01,280 and um and i'll skip over like 10 years 520 00:19:06,070 --> 00:19:03,039 of it was longer than that actually 521 00:19:08,710 --> 00:19:06,080 maybe 10 years of of advocacy 12 years 522 00:19:11,029 --> 00:19:08,720 and in 2008 i had gotten some things 523 00:19:12,470 --> 00:19:11,039 done but i'd also spent an enormous 524 00:19:14,070 --> 00:19:12,480 amount of money and effort i really 525 00:19:15,510 --> 00:19:14,080 didn't think that what we got out of it 526 00:19:17,029 --> 00:19:15,520 was what we should have gotten out of it 527 00:19:20,950 --> 00:19:17,039 based on that 528 00:19:24,230 --> 00:19:20,960 and um the economy crashed in 2008 529 00:19:26,870 --> 00:19:24,240 and so um i just decided no legislatures 530 00:19:28,310 --> 00:19:26,880 are going to consider anything anyway 531 00:19:30,310 --> 00:19:28,320 during this time everybody's worried 532 00:19:32,470 --> 00:19:30,320 about the housing crisis and all that 533 00:19:34,789 --> 00:19:32,480 and then i got hired to work on a film 534 00:19:36,470 --> 00:19:34,799 that became a blockbuster and i 535 00:19:38,150 --> 00:19:36,480 co-authored the companion book and my 536 00:19:39,750 --> 00:19:38,160 life just went in another direction you 537 00:19:41,590 --> 00:19:39,760 know which was good gave me a chance to 538 00:19:42,950 --> 00:19:41,600 make back some of the money i'd spent on 539 00:19:44,789 --> 00:19:42,960 all of this 540 00:19:46,630 --> 00:19:44,799 but i said to myself at the time if i 541 00:19:48,789 --> 00:19:46,640 ever do this again 542 00:19:50,710 --> 00:19:48,799 it will be different i will not do it 543 00:19:52,549 --> 00:19:50,720 under the same circumstances and so when 544 00:19:55,029 --> 00:19:52,559 this whole thing happened 545 00:19:57,669 --> 00:19:55,039 you know and and i and i have i work 546 00:19:59,190 --> 00:19:57,679 with people who i respect a great deal 547 00:20:00,630 --> 00:19:59,200 and who depend on me to make good 548 00:20:02,549 --> 00:20:00,640 decisions because their mortgage 549 00:20:04,149 --> 00:20:02,559 payments and their cut you know kids 550 00:20:06,870 --> 00:20:04,159 tuition and all that counts on our 551 00:20:08,630 --> 00:20:06,880 business doing well right so when we 552 00:20:10,310 --> 00:20:08,640 started talking about doing something 553 00:20:12,870 --> 00:20:10,320 this time 554 00:20:14,549 --> 00:20:12,880 um everybody was on board for doing it 555 00:20:16,230 --> 00:20:14,559 with the risks associated with it 556 00:20:18,149 --> 00:20:16,240 including that i could get assassinated 557 00:20:19,830 --> 00:20:18,159 which at one point in time was a very 558 00:20:21,510 --> 00:20:19,840 real risk 559 00:20:22,950 --> 00:20:21,520 at one point it's not so much now 560 00:20:24,390 --> 00:20:22,960 because getting rid of me wouldn't help 561 00:20:25,669 --> 00:20:24,400 you got too many other people doing the 562 00:20:28,390 --> 00:20:25,679 same thing but 563 00:20:29,110 --> 00:20:28,400 but um the the one caveat was we're with 564 00:20:30,870 --> 00:20:29,120 you 565 00:20:32,870 --> 00:20:30,880 but we got to do it differently than we 566 00:20:34,789 --> 00:20:32,880 did the last time or we're not with you 567 00:20:36,149 --> 00:20:34,799 because we're that's not a pathway to 568 00:20:37,029 --> 00:20:36,159 fix this 569 00:20:41,029 --> 00:20:37,039 so 570 00:20:43,029 --> 00:20:41,039 going to take a practical view of this 571 00:20:45,029 --> 00:20:43,039 we're going to look at it tactically and 572 00:20:46,549 --> 00:20:45,039 we did we have two three branches of 573 00:20:48,470 --> 00:20:46,559 government all right the executive 574 00:20:50,950 --> 00:20:48,480 branch has just completely gone off the 575 00:20:53,669 --> 00:20:50,960 deep end you have a couple of people 576 00:20:55,909 --> 00:20:53,679 like ron desantis who has some clue 577 00:20:57,430 --> 00:20:55,919 about his role in government and the 578 00:20:59,510 --> 00:20:57,440 rest of them like this criminal in 579 00:21:01,830 --> 00:20:59,520 charge of my state he is just nothing 580 00:21:03,909 --> 00:21:01,840 but a criminal have gone rogue they've 581 00:21:05,830 --> 00:21:03,919 declared themselves on prison emphasis 582 00:21:08,470 --> 00:21:05,840 the legislatures are useless that during 583 00:21:10,630 --> 00:21:08,480 this entire time one state legislature 584 00:21:11,830 --> 00:21:10,640 has passed one law that meaningfully 585 00:21:13,510 --> 00:21:11,840 helps people 586 00:21:15,830 --> 00:21:13,520 and and part of the problem we have in 587 00:21:18,470 --> 00:21:15,840 messaging this is that people don't pay 588 00:21:20,789 --> 00:21:18,480 attention tell folks a little bit about 589 00:21:22,070 --> 00:21:20,799 ohio where you live 590 00:21:24,549 --> 00:21:22,080 the government i'll tell you about who 591 00:21:25,909 --> 00:21:24,559 he is what his background is this guy 592 00:21:28,149 --> 00:21:25,919 he's not a guy 593 00:21:29,750 --> 00:21:28,159 no he's a little guy and he's not very 594 00:21:31,029 --> 00:21:29,760 smart i dealt with him before he was 595 00:21:33,029 --> 00:21:31,039 governor when he was in the state 596 00:21:34,630 --> 00:21:33,039 legislature he's not the brightest lamp 597 00:21:36,310 --> 00:21:34,640 in the chandelier and he certainly is 598 00:21:38,149 --> 00:21:36,320 not the brains behind this i don't think 599 00:21:40,789 --> 00:21:38,159 he's done the brains behind anything in 600 00:21:42,630 --> 00:21:40,799 his whole life and he peeks over the 601 00:21:44,310 --> 00:21:42,640 podium i make fun of him a little bit he 602 00:21:45,990 --> 00:21:44,320 keeps getting smaller because i think 603 00:21:48,230 --> 00:21:46,000 that's what happens when the soul leaves 604 00:21:50,149 --> 00:21:48,240 the body you just shrink right and he's 605 00:21:51,669 --> 00:21:50,159 republican right oh yeah he's a 606 00:21:53,909 --> 00:21:51,679 republican governor well that's what he 607 00:21:56,630 --> 00:21:53,919 calls he likes kind of being around all 608 00:21:57,830 --> 00:21:56,640 the all the big guys and getting a 609 00:21:59,669 --> 00:21:57,840 little bit of 610 00:22:01,029 --> 00:21:59,679 cheese thrown in his 611 00:22:03,029 --> 00:22:01,039 well i don't know about that i think 612 00:22:05,270 --> 00:22:03,039 that there are two types of people in 613 00:22:06,630 --> 00:22:05,280 the executive branch who got who got 614 00:22:08,070 --> 00:22:06,640 involved in this 615 00:22:10,549 --> 00:22:08,080 i think there are some people who were 616 00:22:12,470 --> 00:22:10,559 offered something spectacular 617 00:22:16,230 --> 00:22:12,480 and i think there were other people 618 00:22:17,830 --> 00:22:16,240 who were bri who were blackmailed and um 619 00:22:19,909 --> 00:22:17,840 i don't see this little man getting 620 00:22:22,070 --> 00:22:19,919 anything spectacular i think they've got 621 00:22:24,149 --> 00:22:22,080 something on him that's my personal 622 00:22:26,470 --> 00:22:24,159 opinion and it's just an opinion and an 623 00:22:28,630 --> 00:22:26,480 instinct that i have and if you go back 624 00:22:30,310 --> 00:22:28,640 and watch all 200 videos i create 625 00:22:31,990 --> 00:22:30,320 created since this started you will find 626 00:22:33,430 --> 00:22:32,000 out that my instincts are pretty darn 627 00:22:35,029 --> 00:22:33,440 good because every single thing i've 628 00:22:36,789 --> 00:22:35,039 said that was going to happen has 629 00:22:38,630 --> 00:22:36,799 happened and i wish i weren't so good at 630 00:22:40,870 --> 00:22:38,640 predicting because it hasn't been very 631 00:22:43,029 --> 00:22:40,880 good what's happened right 632 00:22:44,710 --> 00:22:43,039 so so he's typical of the executive 633 00:22:46,149 --> 00:22:44,720 branch he just does whatever he wants he 634 00:22:48,149 --> 00:22:46,159 doesn't care what's constitutional in 635 00:22:50,310 --> 00:22:48,159 fact the only the only thing that's 636 00:22:52,070 --> 00:22:50,320 rained him is our lawsuit that kept him 637 00:22:54,149 --> 00:22:52,080 from locking the state down a second 638 00:22:56,310 --> 00:22:54,159 time and modified his behavior quite a 639 00:22:59,110 --> 00:22:56,320 bit because he was concerned he knew 640 00:23:00,789 --> 00:22:59,120 what he was doing was wrong and so wrong 641 00:23:03,510 --> 00:23:00,799 that in fact there was a case that was 642 00:23:04,549 --> 00:23:03,520 won um against a restaurant in a county 643 00:23:08,070 --> 00:23:04,559 a couple 644 00:23:09,430 --> 00:23:08,080 about 35 uh 45 minutes up north here 645 00:23:11,270 --> 00:23:09,440 where they didn't even show up the 646 00:23:13,350 --> 00:23:11,280 prosecution didn't show up and you know 647 00:23:15,430 --> 00:23:13,360 why because they knew they couldn't win 648 00:23:16,950 --> 00:23:15,440 and whoever is telling our law emperor 649 00:23:18,789 --> 00:23:16,960 what to do said you just leave that 650 00:23:20,789 --> 00:23:18,799 alone we can't afford to show up in 651 00:23:23,270 --> 00:23:20,799 court and lose so just let them have 652 00:23:24,390 --> 00:23:23,280 this right so that's the executive 653 00:23:26,789 --> 00:23:24,400 branch and then you've got the 654 00:23:29,190 --> 00:23:26,799 legislative branch which is useless 655 00:23:30,070 --> 00:23:29,200 and and a good example of useless is 656 00:23:32,470 --> 00:23:30,080 when 657 00:23:34,789 --> 00:23:32,480 the florida legislature passed a law 658 00:23:36,470 --> 00:23:34,799 saying can't have a backs passport for 659 00:23:39,590 --> 00:23:36,480 coven vaccines 660 00:23:41,990 --> 00:23:39,600 they left on the books a law from 2002 661 00:23:43,830 --> 00:23:42,000 that says that the department of health 662 00:23:46,470 --> 00:23:43,840 can force test 663 00:23:49,350 --> 00:23:46,480 force quarantine and force vaccinate 664 00:23:51,510 --> 00:23:49,360 anybody as long as there's an emergency 665 00:23:54,710 --> 00:23:51,520 in the state okay 666 00:23:56,390 --> 00:23:54,720 so tell me how the citizens of florida 667 00:23:57,990 --> 00:23:56,400 are in terms of security you're one 668 00:24:00,390 --> 00:23:58,000 election away from ending up with a 669 00:24:02,149 --> 00:24:00,400 little criminal like ours in charge 670 00:24:04,070 --> 00:24:02,159 who decides to do whatever he wants to 671 00:24:05,590 --> 00:24:04,080 do right so so you can't use the 672 00:24:06,470 --> 00:24:05,600 legislative branch you're left with the 673 00:24:09,590 --> 00:24:06,480 courts 674 00:24:11,110 --> 00:24:09,600 aren't so good and you're right but some 675 00:24:13,510 --> 00:24:11,120 of the courts are good 676 00:24:15,669 --> 00:24:13,520 and understand the way that i think with 677 00:24:17,669 --> 00:24:15,679 my business background all right so 678 00:24:19,669 --> 00:24:17,679 what we really need is discovery and 679 00:24:21,510 --> 00:24:19,679 we're getting it from whistleblowers but 680 00:24:23,590 --> 00:24:21,520 we need big document dumps and we need 681 00:24:25,190 --> 00:24:23,600 to depose the criminals like fauci and 682 00:24:26,149 --> 00:24:25,200 our little emperor and those kinds of 683 00:24:28,870 --> 00:24:26,159 people 684 00:24:31,029 --> 00:24:28,880 but um but you only need one judge to 685 00:24:33,110 --> 00:24:31,039 give you discovery in the whole country 686 00:24:36,310 --> 00:24:33,120 because we don't need to depose bauchi 687 00:24:38,470 --> 00:24:36,320 36 times one time for four days will be 688 00:24:40,630 --> 00:24:38,480 fine and we don't need the cdc documents 689 00:24:42,710 --> 00:24:40,640 to be delivered to 14 locations one and 690 00:24:45,430 --> 00:24:42,720 we'll share it with everybody right 691 00:24:47,990 --> 00:24:45,440 so when you follow explain that i i say 692 00:24:49,029 --> 00:24:48,000 i say write because i listened to your 693 00:24:52,149 --> 00:24:49,039 interview 694 00:24:54,710 --> 00:24:52,159 on thc and you really did but it was 695 00:24:57,510 --> 00:24:54,720 news to me pam i'm not i think i thought 696 00:24:59,269 --> 00:24:57,520 i was pretty clued in but then and you 697 00:25:01,750 --> 00:24:59,279 also talked about like the oxycontin 698 00:25:04,310 --> 00:25:01,760 case which i thought was great analogy 699 00:25:05,269 --> 00:25:04,320 for how this stuff works so take people 700 00:25:07,750 --> 00:25:05,279 through 701 00:25:10,710 --> 00:25:07,760 how that works what discovery is how it 702 00:25:12,950 --> 00:25:10,720 could work in this case and the power of 703 00:25:14,789 --> 00:25:12,960 that of finding that one judge who's 704 00:25:17,590 --> 00:25:14,799 willing to stand up 705 00:25:20,149 --> 00:25:17,600 yeah so so very good point you bring up 706 00:25:21,110 --> 00:25:20,159 so uh the connection to oxy and purdue 707 00:25:23,590 --> 00:25:21,120 pharma 708 00:25:25,830 --> 00:25:23,600 so when we filed our first lawsuit in 709 00:25:29,350 --> 00:25:25,840 ohio you have to be a hundred percent 710 00:25:30,789 --> 00:25:29,360 successful to get discovery you file two 711 00:25:33,350 --> 00:25:30,799 lawsuits you only have to be fifty 712 00:25:34,789 --> 00:25:33,360 percent successful you file twenty 713 00:25:36,549 --> 00:25:34,799 lawsuits you only have to be five 714 00:25:38,149 --> 00:25:36,559 percent successful if you file a hundred 715 00:25:40,549 --> 00:25:38,159 one percent 716 00:25:43,590 --> 00:25:40,559 blind squirrels find acorns 717 00:25:45,750 --> 00:25:43,600 we will be lucky we will be with if if 718 00:25:47,190 --> 00:25:45,760 it just is pure luck numbers work for 719 00:25:49,750 --> 00:25:47,200 you okay 720 00:25:51,909 --> 00:25:49,760 um and so so that's the lawsuit strategy 721 00:25:54,950 --> 00:25:51,919 and by the way that's what ultimately 722 00:25:56,710 --> 00:25:54,960 brought down the sackler family 723 00:25:58,230 --> 00:25:56,720 and what they had done for years was 724 00:26:00,789 --> 00:25:58,240 they had given their attorneys they're 725 00:26:02,390 --> 00:26:00,799 very highly paid attorneys blank checks 726 00:26:03,990 --> 00:26:02,400 to go out to every place in the country 727 00:26:06,470 --> 00:26:04,000 where they were in trouble like some 728 00:26:09,029 --> 00:26:06,480 prosecutor over here about the opiate 729 00:26:11,029 --> 00:26:09,039 epidemic and somebody over there and and 730 00:26:13,350 --> 00:26:11,039 or some unhappy family whatever it was 731 00:26:15,350 --> 00:26:13,360 and they would seal the record here's 25 732 00:26:17,590 --> 00:26:15,360 million and then we seal the record so 733 00:26:19,990 --> 00:26:17,600 you could never make a case against the 734 00:26:21,750 --> 00:26:20,000 sacklers because everything's buried and 735 00:26:23,750 --> 00:26:21,760 at a certain point in time when things 736 00:26:25,669 --> 00:26:23,760 started turning against the sacklers and 737 00:26:27,110 --> 00:26:25,679 by the way it's like turning the titanic 738 00:26:29,909 --> 00:26:27,120 around in the middle of the ocean you've 739 00:26:32,149 --> 00:26:29,919 got a multi-billion dollar family 740 00:26:35,029 --> 00:26:32,159 with unlimited resources and attorneys 741 00:26:36,789 --> 00:26:35,039 that is out doing and getting the best 742 00:26:38,710 --> 00:26:36,799 of everybody out there until you get 743 00:26:39,830 --> 00:26:38,720 enough of everybody out there to turn 744 00:26:42,310 --> 00:26:39,840 the tables 745 00:26:44,230 --> 00:26:42,320 and um one judge in northeastern ohio 746 00:26:46,310 --> 00:26:44,240 dan folster is the person who started 747 00:26:48,710 --> 00:26:46,320 turning the sackler thing around and the 748 00:26:50,470 --> 00:26:48,720 sacklers should be in prison 749 00:26:52,070 --> 00:26:50,480 but they're not going to go there by the 750 00:26:53,669 --> 00:26:52,080 way but i'll tell you i've read a lot 751 00:26:55,990 --> 00:26:53,679 about the sackler family include 752 00:26:57,510 --> 00:26:56,000 including a great book about them called 753 00:27:00,070 --> 00:26:57,520 empire pain 754 00:27:02,549 --> 00:27:00,080 and um the sacklers are mostly into 755 00:27:04,310 --> 00:27:02,559 prestige and when everybody started 756 00:27:06,310 --> 00:27:04,320 disowning them and taking their name off 757 00:27:07,750 --> 00:27:06,320 of the metropolitan museum of art wing 758 00:27:09,350 --> 00:27:07,760 that they paid for and all that that's 759 00:27:12,470 --> 00:27:09,360 actually more painful for them than 760 00:27:14,549 --> 00:27:12,480 prison all right and not being invited 761 00:27:16,149 --> 00:27:14,559 to and one of them they're so toned up 762 00:27:18,149 --> 00:27:16,159 they actually one of them said in front 763 00:27:20,310 --> 00:27:18,159 of a congressional hearing i don't think 764 00:27:22,549 --> 00:27:20,320 people realize how hard this has been on 765 00:27:24,710 --> 00:27:22,559 our family really well i don't think you 766 00:27:26,870 --> 00:27:24,720 realize how hard it's been all the half 767 00:27:28,230 --> 00:27:26,880 million people you killed and with your 768 00:27:30,630 --> 00:27:28,240 product right 769 00:27:32,630 --> 00:27:30,640 so that's been our strategy and we will 770 00:27:34,470 --> 00:27:32,640 win this and we are and we and sometimes 771 00:27:36,070 --> 00:27:34,480 you win when you file we're not the only 772 00:27:37,750 --> 00:27:36,080 people who've said this you change the 773 00:27:40,549 --> 00:27:37,760 behavior of the criminals and you put 774 00:27:42,950 --> 00:27:40,559 them on notice and here in ohio uh our 775 00:27:45,990 --> 00:27:42,960 little guy was very compromised by our 776 00:27:48,870 --> 00:27:46,000 litigation and in fact two days before 777 00:27:51,990 --> 00:27:48,880 we were due to file an abbreviated um 778 00:27:53,590 --> 00:27:52,000 complaint because our our judge who we 779 00:27:55,669 --> 00:27:53,600 think might have been compromised said 780 00:27:57,909 --> 00:27:55,679 that what we filed was too much for him 781 00:27:59,990 --> 00:27:57,919 to read 782 00:28:02,149 --> 00:28:00,000 let that sink in for a minute 783 00:28:03,750 --> 00:28:02,159 so being the accommodating people that 784 00:28:05,510 --> 00:28:03,760 we are our attorneys said well no 785 00:28:07,029 --> 00:28:05,520 problem i'm going to condense it into 20 786 00:28:09,430 --> 00:28:07,039 pages for you 787 00:28:11,510 --> 00:28:09,440 and two days now and this just tells you 788 00:28:12,549 --> 00:28:11,520 how much you can accomplish just by 789 00:28:15,110 --> 00:28:12,559 filing 790 00:28:16,549 --> 00:28:15,120 so our guy cancel our emperor cancels 791 00:28:19,669 --> 00:28:16,559 the ohio state fair it's going to be 792 00:28:21,510 --> 00:28:19,679 virtual he cancels every downtown arts 793 00:28:23,430 --> 00:28:21,520 festival everything's canceled for the 794 00:28:27,029 --> 00:28:23,440 summer so does this sound like he wants 795 00:28:29,350 --> 00:28:27,039 to let us go free not to me all right 796 00:28:31,350 --> 00:28:29,360 two days before we're due in court to 797 00:28:32,630 --> 00:28:31,360 deliver our abbreviated 798 00:28:34,710 --> 00:28:32,640 uh brief 799 00:28:37,510 --> 00:28:34,720 he goes into his press conference peers 800 00:28:38,630 --> 00:28:37,520 over the lectern and goes go free 801 00:28:41,430 --> 00:28:38,640 we're free 802 00:28:43,350 --> 00:28:41,440 everybody go out and go free right 803 00:28:45,430 --> 00:28:43,360 well i think it's because there what 804 00:28:47,190 --> 00:28:45,440 what was going to happen when we fight 805 00:28:49,190 --> 00:28:47,200 now you can't complain about the size of 806 00:28:51,190 --> 00:28:49,200 the documents we filed 807 00:28:52,389 --> 00:28:51,200 we survived all the 12b emotions to get 808 00:28:53,909 --> 00:28:52,399 it thrown out 809 00:28:57,190 --> 00:28:53,919 now we're actually going to go to a 810 00:28:59,750 --> 00:28:57,200 hearing so we did not get discovery but 811 00:29:01,830 --> 00:28:59,760 again life in ohio since we started 812 00:29:03,830 --> 00:29:01,840 going after this guy on august 31st last 813 00:29:05,669 --> 00:29:03,840 year has been significantly better 814 00:29:07,029 --> 00:29:05,679 there's been virtually no enforcement i 815 00:29:08,789 --> 00:29:07,039 mean he stands up there and says we're 816 00:29:11,350 --> 00:29:08,799 going to do this we're going to do that 817 00:29:13,190 --> 00:29:11,360 we went out of our way to try to get 818 00:29:15,430 --> 00:29:13,200 people arrested last year 819 00:29:17,830 --> 00:29:15,440 and couldn't get it done we sent crews 820 00:29:20,389 --> 00:29:17,840 of people he had a curfew in place we 821 00:29:22,230 --> 00:29:20,399 sent people driving around ohio crews of 822 00:29:23,669 --> 00:29:22,240 people and we instructed them we want 823 00:29:26,470 --> 00:29:23,679 you to go through the parking lots of 824 00:29:28,630 --> 00:29:26,480 police stations and honk your horn wave 825 00:29:30,470 --> 00:29:28,640 your arms out the window and scream and 826 00:29:33,350 --> 00:29:30,480 the whole nine yards we couldn't even 827 00:29:35,029 --> 00:29:33,360 get pulled over we tried okay and the 828 00:29:36,870 --> 00:29:35,039 reason is because he knew it was 829 00:29:39,269 --> 00:29:36,880 unlawful order and he could never 830 00:29:40,950 --> 00:29:39,279 enforce it and and by the by the way 831 00:29:42,389 --> 00:29:40,960 word got out and it got to the place 832 00:29:44,630 --> 00:29:42,399 where you could not tell the difference 833 00:29:46,389 --> 00:29:44,640 between when we were under a curfew and 834 00:29:48,470 --> 00:29:46,399 when we weren't in terms of traffic on 835 00:29:50,470 --> 00:29:48,480 the road so so anyway that's the 836 00:29:52,630 --> 00:29:50,480 litigation strategy and it's really the 837 00:29:54,230 --> 00:29:52,640 only hope we have for getting out of 838 00:29:56,470 --> 00:29:54,240 this in addition to massive 839 00:29:57,269 --> 00:29:56,480 non-compliance 840 00:29:59,830 --> 00:29:57,279 so 841 00:30:01,350 --> 00:29:59,840 then i mean the question that that 842 00:30:03,190 --> 00:30:01,360 brings what's 843 00:30:05,510 --> 00:30:03,200 where are we at on that what's really 844 00:30:08,070 --> 00:30:05,520 the path forward in terms of that 845 00:30:09,750 --> 00:30:08,080 getting us towards that progress because 846 00:30:11,669 --> 00:30:09,760 they have a lot of cards to play and 847 00:30:14,870 --> 00:30:11,679 like you said i mean you've put a great 848 00:30:17,029 --> 00:30:14,880 spin on that story but the other spin is 849 00:30:19,990 --> 00:30:17,039 they managed to kind of dodge you in 850 00:30:22,230 --> 00:30:20,000 court there and get you to that next 851 00:30:24,310 --> 00:30:22,240 goal blind that you you know into the 852 00:30:26,389 --> 00:30:24,320 into the the red zone you know where you 853 00:30:28,149 --> 00:30:26,399 could potentially score 854 00:30:30,789 --> 00:30:28,159 right well but this is where they're 855 00:30:32,389 --> 00:30:30,799 making big mistakes i watch them all the 856 00:30:33,750 --> 00:30:32,399 time i don't sleep so it gives me a lot 857 00:30:34,830 --> 00:30:33,760 of time to watch what's going on and 858 00:30:37,750 --> 00:30:34,840 think about it 859 00:30:39,590 --> 00:30:37,760 right so if you go back here i'm a world 860 00:30:41,669 --> 00:30:39,600 war two buff i have a personal interest 861 00:30:43,590 --> 00:30:41,679 in this for a lot of reasons but if you 862 00:30:44,789 --> 00:30:43,600 take a look at what hitler did and what 863 00:30:46,870 --> 00:30:44,799 everybody liked and just done in the 864 00:30:50,389 --> 00:30:46,880 past they're very skilled and they're 865 00:30:52,070 --> 00:30:50,399 very disciplined about very gradually 866 00:30:53,430 --> 00:30:52,080 doing things to people so if you notice 867 00:30:55,029 --> 00:30:53,440 last year 868 00:30:57,110 --> 00:30:55,039 they you know we're gonna stay home for 869 00:30:59,029 --> 00:30:57,120 two weeks and then we're gonna do this 870 00:31:00,710 --> 00:30:59,039 and we're gonna do that it wasn't until 871 00:31:03,269 --> 00:31:00,720 the middle of the summer that the masks 872 00:31:04,870 --> 00:31:03,279 are starting to be mandated and little 873 00:31:07,029 --> 00:31:04,880 by little by little they were very 874 00:31:08,470 --> 00:31:07,039 gradual in the way that they went about 875 00:31:10,870 --> 00:31:08,480 doing this right 876 00:31:12,630 --> 00:31:10,880 and then all of a sudden we get into a 877 00:31:14,389 --> 00:31:12,640 big problem this year these people 878 00:31:16,830 --> 00:31:14,399 promised somebody that they were going 879 00:31:19,430 --> 00:31:16,840 to get 75 or 80 percent of this country 880 00:31:21,350 --> 00:31:19,440 vaccinated and i put out a video in the 881 00:31:22,950 --> 00:31:21,360 summertime and here's how i arrived at 882 00:31:24,789 --> 00:31:22,960 my numbers less than 40 percent of the 883 00:31:26,230 --> 00:31:24,799 country was vaccinated i forget about 884 00:31:28,230 --> 00:31:26,240 their numbers and what they report it's 885 00:31:30,149 --> 00:31:28,240 all fake news so where did i get my 886 00:31:31,990 --> 00:31:30,159 numbers well the feds have been bragging 887 00:31:33,830 --> 00:31:32,000 about how many doses they bought that's 888 00:31:35,750 --> 00:31:33,840 a public number then they've been 889 00:31:38,230 --> 00:31:35,760 bragging about how many doses they sent 890 00:31:39,990 --> 00:31:38,240 overseas that's a public number 891 00:31:41,669 --> 00:31:40,000 then all the states started complaining 892 00:31:44,230 --> 00:31:41,679 about all the doses they were throwing 893 00:31:46,789 --> 00:31:44,240 out that's a those are public numbers 894 00:31:49,909 --> 00:31:46,799 and so if you get down to how many 895 00:31:52,549 --> 00:31:49,919 people how many doses were actually used 896 00:31:54,389 --> 00:31:52,559 it's less than 40 and then 897 00:31:56,310 --> 00:31:54,399 one week afterwards i get absolute 898 00:31:59,350 --> 00:31:56,320 confirmation i'm right because the 899 00:32:01,110 --> 00:31:59,360 kaiser family foundation did a survey of 900 00:32:02,549 --> 00:32:01,120 all the counties in the country and what 901 00:32:04,149 --> 00:32:02,559 they reported they wanted to make trump 902 00:32:05,190 --> 00:32:04,159 look bad which i don't want to get into 903 00:32:06,789 --> 00:32:05,200 that because that doesn't really have 904 00:32:08,549 --> 00:32:06,799 much to do with what we're doing except 905 00:32:11,590 --> 00:32:08,559 that what they said was in counties that 906 00:32:14,470 --> 00:32:11,600 trump carried 35 vaccination rate and 907 00:32:17,269 --> 00:32:14,480 counties that biden carried at 28 908 00:32:18,389 --> 00:32:17,279 vaccinated or 35 percent for biden 28 909 00:32:20,149 --> 00:32:18,399 for trump 910 00:32:21,509 --> 00:32:20,159 well i think that they got confused at 911 00:32:22,789 --> 00:32:21,519 the federal level and they added those 912 00:32:24,630 --> 00:32:22,799 two numbers together instead of 913 00:32:26,710 --> 00:32:24,640 averaging them out right 914 00:32:29,509 --> 00:32:26,720 but it's under 40 915 00:32:32,230 --> 00:32:29,519 so now panic ensues 916 00:32:33,990 --> 00:32:32,240 and they try the vaccine lotteries they 917 00:32:36,149 --> 00:32:34,000 tried all that stuff donuts and and 918 00:32:39,430 --> 00:32:36,159 nothing would make it work so biden gets 919 00:32:42,230 --> 00:32:39,440 up there and he says every employer over 920 00:32:43,669 --> 00:32:42,240 100 has to with over 100 employees has 921 00:32:45,750 --> 00:32:43,679 to do this 922 00:32:47,830 --> 00:32:45,760 there has never been a better recruiting 923 00:32:49,350 --> 00:32:47,840 day in the history of make americans 924 00:32:51,430 --> 00:32:49,360 free again than the day of that 925 00:32:53,830 --> 00:32:51,440 announcement which is exactly the 926 00:32:56,230 --> 00:32:53,840 opposite of what they wanted and you saw 927 00:32:58,230 --> 00:32:56,240 the real digging in of the heels started 928 00:32:59,990 --> 00:32:58,240 after that because what happens when you 929 00:33:02,149 --> 00:33:00,000 make an alarming announcement like that 930 00:33:05,029 --> 00:33:02,159 you go from your very measured 931 00:33:05,909 --> 00:33:05,039 um very gradual descent into hell if you 932 00:33:08,549 --> 00:33:05,919 will 933 00:33:10,549 --> 00:33:08,559 to all of a sudden this guy gets on tv 934 00:33:12,389 --> 00:33:10,559 and it turns the whole thing into chaos 935 00:33:14,149 --> 00:33:12,399 and then immediately the governor starts 936 00:33:15,990 --> 00:33:14,159 saying we're not doing it 937 00:33:17,909 --> 00:33:16,000 and then because the 10th amendment is 938 00:33:20,149 --> 00:33:17,919 alive and well and you can't control 939 00:33:22,710 --> 00:33:20,159 much from the feds and then companies 940 00:33:24,070 --> 00:33:22,720 say we know many companies that are 941 00:33:25,909 --> 00:33:24,080 acting like they're complying but 942 00:33:28,070 --> 00:33:25,919 they're not because they can't they'll 943 00:33:29,909 --> 00:33:28,080 go out of business and so it threw it 944 00:33:31,830 --> 00:33:29,919 all into chaos and and i started getting 945 00:33:33,750 --> 00:33:31,840 emails from people who said i voted for 946 00:33:35,830 --> 00:33:33,760 this guy and this is insane i mean just 947 00:33:37,430 --> 00:33:35,840 sign me up i'll start a group i have 948 00:33:39,029 --> 00:33:37,440 people that i've asked people to start 949 00:33:40,710 --> 00:33:39,039 these thursday groups and some people 950 00:33:43,110 --> 00:33:40,720 have gleefully done it and some people 951 00:33:44,710 --> 00:33:43,120 do so hard and i don't know anybody i 952 00:33:45,830 --> 00:33:44,720 had one person who used to whine and cry 953 00:33:47,430 --> 00:33:45,840 about it so hard and i don't know 954 00:33:50,070 --> 00:33:47,440 anybody she had 80 people in her group 955 00:33:52,389 --> 00:33:50,080 in three weeks so so now they're doing 956 00:33:54,630 --> 00:33:52,399 really stupid things that are alarming 957 00:33:56,630 --> 00:33:54,640 to people because they're desperate 958 00:33:58,470 --> 00:33:56,640 and i don't know where that's going to 959 00:34:00,470 --> 00:33:58,480 take us but it's the beginning of the 960 00:34:02,310 --> 00:34:00,480 end and if i had to give an analogy of 961 00:34:03,909 --> 00:34:02,320 where we are right now 962 00:34:05,590 --> 00:34:03,919 it's going to get worse i've been saying 963 00:34:07,029 --> 00:34:05,600 this it will get worse from here so 964 00:34:09,589 --> 00:34:07,039 don't misunderstand that i think it's 965 00:34:12,470 --> 00:34:09,599 all ground wine and roses it's not but 966 00:34:15,030 --> 00:34:12,480 we are in where we were in the world war 967 00:34:17,109 --> 00:34:15,040 two at 1944 968 00:34:18,310 --> 00:34:17,119 when everybody knew hitler was going to 969 00:34:20,069 --> 00:34:18,320 lose 970 00:34:21,829 --> 00:34:20,079 and there's some very good evidence from 971 00:34:23,589 --> 00:34:21,839 first-hand accounts of people who were 972 00:34:25,669 --> 00:34:23,599 in auschwitz and survived for example 973 00:34:27,430 --> 00:34:25,679 that even some of the nazis were talking 974 00:34:29,270 --> 00:34:27,440 to prisoners they particularly liked who 975 00:34:31,030 --> 00:34:29,280 were privileged and worked in the court 976 00:34:33,589 --> 00:34:31,040 their offices and that sort of thing 977 00:34:36,230 --> 00:34:33,599 some of the ss officers were saying it's 978 00:34:37,750 --> 00:34:36,240 over in fact one guy who escaped and 979 00:34:40,629 --> 00:34:37,760 then got caught 980 00:34:43,270 --> 00:34:40,639 um friends of his survived he was put to 981 00:34:45,270 --> 00:34:43,280 death and said that an ss officer had 982 00:34:46,629 --> 00:34:45,280 told him to wait he said if you'll just 983 00:34:48,069 --> 00:34:46,639 wait a while the germans are going to 984 00:34:49,270 --> 00:34:48,079 lose and then you know everybody gets to 985 00:34:50,710 --> 00:34:49,280 go free and you won't have to worry 986 00:34:52,629 --> 00:34:50,720 about escaping 987 00:34:54,230 --> 00:34:52,639 so that's where we are right now we know 988 00:34:55,909 --> 00:34:54,240 what the end of the story is going to be 989 00:34:58,230 --> 00:34:55,919 what we don't know is how much hell and 990 00:34:59,670 --> 00:34:58,240 grief and god-awful and deaths and 991 00:35:01,829 --> 00:34:59,680 everything else is going to happen 992 00:35:03,990 --> 00:35:01,839 before it starts turning you know before 993 00:35:05,430 --> 00:35:04,000 we actually get to the other side 994 00:35:08,390 --> 00:35:05,440 what's happening though which is the 995 00:35:10,310 --> 00:35:08,400 most interesting to me is i'm 65 years 996 00:35:12,150 --> 00:35:10,320 old all right and as long as i've been 997 00:35:14,390 --> 00:35:12,160 an adult people talk about education 998 00:35:17,030 --> 00:35:14,400 reform health care reform government 999 00:35:18,310 --> 00:35:17,040 reform anybody seen any of that no well 1000 00:35:19,510 --> 00:35:18,320 you start doing what they're doing in 1001 00:35:22,069 --> 00:35:19,520 the schools and this is where they've 1002 00:35:23,829 --> 00:35:22,079 really been stupid you want to control 1003 00:35:26,390 --> 00:35:23,839 people through dumbing them down through 1004 00:35:28,710 --> 00:35:26,400 public education so you create a program 1005 00:35:30,710 --> 00:35:28,720 where 25 of all kids have been withdrawn 1006 00:35:33,109 --> 00:35:30,720 from school you want to control people 1007 00:35:34,630 --> 00:35:33,119 through health care you create a program 1008 00:35:36,630 --> 00:35:34,640 where significant 1009 00:35:39,109 --> 00:35:36,640 you know half a million people get out 1010 00:35:40,390 --> 00:35:39,119 there closing emergency rooms and 1011 00:35:42,550 --> 00:35:40,400 the home and you end up with this 1012 00:35:44,470 --> 00:35:42,560 network of people in private practice 1013 00:35:47,589 --> 00:35:44,480 you know so so the whole narrative is 1014 00:35:49,430 --> 00:35:47,599 just coming unglued all around them and 1015 00:35:51,430 --> 00:35:49,440 um it's not going to be fun for the next 1016 00:35:53,030 --> 00:35:51,440 several months but we are winning we i 1017 00:35:55,670 --> 00:35:53,040 said i'm in it to win it we're going to 1018 00:35:59,030 --> 00:35:55,680 win we have begun to win we already have 1019 00:36:01,430 --> 00:35:59,040 one in some situations and so that's my 1020 00:36:03,510 --> 00:36:01,440 assessment of where we are right now 1021 00:36:05,430 --> 00:36:03,520 yeah i i think there's a 1022 00:36:07,270 --> 00:36:05,440 i'm with you and i want to be with you 1023 00:36:10,230 --> 00:36:07,280 and i think there's a real truth to the 1024 00:36:12,230 --> 00:36:10,240 the don't with moms kind of thing 1025 00:36:13,349 --> 00:36:12,240 right like that that's one thing that 1026 00:36:15,990 --> 00:36:13,359 they learned 1027 00:36:20,390 --> 00:36:16,000 if you look at the false flag operations 1028 00:36:22,710 --> 00:36:20,400 you know it's like you you don't want to 1029 00:36:25,109 --> 00:36:22,720 you don't want to with moms because 1030 00:36:27,190 --> 00:36:25,119 moms will protect those kids and they 1031 00:36:30,230 --> 00:36:27,200 will their political alliances and all 1032 00:36:32,710 --> 00:36:30,240 that will quickly fall apart if they see 1033 00:36:34,069 --> 00:36:32,720 that damage is being done to their kids 1034 00:36:36,069 --> 00:36:34,079 and you're right i think they've 1035 00:36:37,030 --> 00:36:36,079 overplayed their hand but one of the 1036 00:36:39,510 --> 00:36:37,040 things 1037 00:36:40,710 --> 00:36:39,520 that weighs on us all i think a little 1038 00:36:43,430 --> 00:36:40,720 bit 1039 00:36:45,829 --> 00:36:43,440 to curb that enthusiasm 1040 00:36:48,790 --> 00:36:45,839 is the global nature of this and it's 1041 00:36:51,750 --> 00:36:48,800 it's it's both informative of what we're 1042 00:36:54,310 --> 00:36:51,760 up against and it's also 1043 00:36:57,109 --> 00:36:54,320 kind of depressing a little bit they 1044 00:37:00,069 --> 00:36:57,119 rolled this thing out globally at a 1045 00:37:01,589 --> 00:37:00,079 scale that i think we all thought was 1046 00:37:03,829 --> 00:37:01,599 unimaginable 1047 00:37:05,510 --> 00:37:03,839 i mean the level of coordination that 1048 00:37:06,790 --> 00:37:05,520 they showed in that 1049 00:37:08,069 --> 00:37:06,800 is 1050 00:37:09,349 --> 00:37:08,079 what do you make of that what do you 1051 00:37:11,109 --> 00:37:09,359 think of that 1052 00:37:13,670 --> 00:37:11,119 well i think you're right it was ruled 1053 00:37:16,310 --> 00:37:13,680 out it was coordinated and in my book i 1054 00:37:18,230 --> 00:37:16,320 talked about how they we know we know 1055 00:37:19,829 --> 00:37:18,240 for sure they've been planning it since 1056 00:37:21,670 --> 00:37:19,839 2010 1057 00:37:23,190 --> 00:37:21,680 all right and and i don't know if you've 1058 00:37:25,109 --> 00:37:23,200 read my book or not but all this stuff 1059 00:37:26,630 --> 00:37:25,119 that's breaking news right now 1060 00:37:29,750 --> 00:37:26,640 it's all in my book that was published 1061 00:37:30,950 --> 00:37:29,760 last september including the french 1062 00:37:32,630 --> 00:37:30,960 i was just going to say you know the 1063 00:37:36,470 --> 00:37:32,640 other thing i i got from the book and i 1064 00:37:39,109 --> 00:37:36,480 wasn't able to read all of it uh but 1065 00:37:39,990 --> 00:37:39,119 i thought your parallels to the swine 1066 00:37:42,790 --> 00:37:40,000 flu 1067 00:37:45,430 --> 00:37:42,800 in terms of numbers in terms of method 1068 00:37:47,670 --> 00:37:45,440 in terms of rollout that anyone reads it 1069 00:37:49,670 --> 00:37:47,680 and goes you're kidding me 1070 00:37:53,030 --> 00:37:49,680 because i wasn't aware of that all that 1071 00:37:54,630 --> 00:37:53,040 really happened in 2011 the same way the 1072 00:37:56,870 --> 00:37:54,640 buying all the vaccines throwing all the 1073 00:37:58,790 --> 00:37:56,880 vaccines away hyping up stuff and then 1074 00:38:00,230 --> 00:37:58,800 the final numbers don't match anything 1075 00:38:02,150 --> 00:38:00,240 tell people a little bit about that i 1076 00:38:03,750 --> 00:38:02,160 think it's kind of instructive and then 1077 00:38:07,030 --> 00:38:03,760 go ahead with the rest of it it happened 1078 00:38:09,270 --> 00:38:07,040 in 1971 it was 1976 by the way there 1079 00:38:10,870 --> 00:38:09,280 were five cases of flu 1080 00:38:12,950 --> 00:38:10,880 and they had doctors i mean this would 1081 00:38:14,870 --> 00:38:12,960 be comical who wasn't so serious they 1082 00:38:17,670 --> 00:38:14,880 actually had doctors sitting in a war 1083 00:38:19,270 --> 00:38:17,680 room 24 7 and eight hour shifts at the 1084 00:38:21,270 --> 00:38:19,280 cdc 1085 00:38:24,310 --> 00:38:21,280 waiting for reports to come in from the 1086 00:38:26,390 --> 00:38:24,320 eis they're at their uh medical cia and 1087 00:38:28,470 --> 00:38:26,400 they have five cases and they're waiting 1088 00:38:30,870 --> 00:38:28,480 for reports they've been 24 7 they're 1089 00:38:32,790 --> 00:38:30,880 showing these doctors and ford president 1090 00:38:35,349 --> 00:38:32,800 ford gets on tv and he says we're gonna 1091 00:38:37,109 --> 00:38:35,359 have to allocate 500 million dollars to 1092 00:38:39,510 --> 00:38:37,119 vaccinate every man woman and child of 1093 00:38:41,430 --> 00:38:39,520 the country i mean it's like i said it's 1094 00:38:43,109 --> 00:38:41,440 like it's like me seeing an ant on the 1095 00:38:44,630 --> 00:38:43,119 floor and saying the house is infested 1096 00:38:46,150 --> 00:38:44,640 we got to evacuate you know there's an 1097 00:38:47,430 --> 00:38:46,160 ant on the floor right and people would 1098 00:38:48,230 --> 00:38:47,440 go what the hell's the matter with you 1099 00:38:50,069 --> 00:38:48,240 right 1100 00:38:52,230 --> 00:38:50,079 so they did it in 76 and they did it 1101 00:38:53,349 --> 00:38:52,240 again in 2009 and this time it was 1102 00:38:57,270 --> 00:38:53,359 global 1103 00:38:59,910 --> 00:38:57,280 in 1976 it was just here in 2009 it was 1104 00:39:01,829 --> 00:38:59,920 global and um and in europe there was a 1105 00:39:04,310 --> 00:39:01,839 bigger fuss about it but essentially 1106 00:39:06,710 --> 00:39:04,320 what happened what to teed me off or 1107 00:39:08,310 --> 00:39:06,720 clued me in i should say that tipped me 1108 00:39:10,069 --> 00:39:08,320 off is the word i'm looking for that 1109 00:39:12,230 --> 00:39:10,079 something was wrong is when the cdc and 1110 00:39:15,829 --> 00:39:12,240 the world health organization said stop 1111 00:39:17,670 --> 00:39:15,839 testing because we're so overrun with 1112 00:39:19,109 --> 00:39:17,680 sick people we can't take the time to 1113 00:39:20,870 --> 00:39:19,119 test and i said something's wrong with 1114 00:39:23,109 --> 00:39:20,880 that they can't the numbers aren't 1115 00:39:25,829 --> 00:39:23,119 adding up and then cheryl ackerson at 1116 00:39:29,030 --> 00:39:25,839 cbs they have a big budget they didn't 1117 00:39:30,710 --> 00:39:29,040 this is when news was honest right 2009 1118 00:39:33,030 --> 00:39:30,720 and they did an investigation 1119 00:39:35,430 --> 00:39:33,040 investigative report of this whole thing 1120 00:39:37,190 --> 00:39:35,440 and there was no epidemic i mean even 1121 00:39:39,349 --> 00:39:37,200 people coming from mexico which was 1122 00:39:41,270 --> 00:39:39,359 supposedly the origin of this didn't 1123 00:39:42,710 --> 00:39:41,280 have the flu right they were testing 1124 00:39:44,069 --> 00:39:42,720 everybody that came in 1125 00:39:46,150 --> 00:39:44,079 so in europe they made a little bit 1126 00:39:49,270 --> 00:39:46,160 bigger deal out of it and the most 1127 00:39:51,430 --> 00:39:49,280 chilling thing of all was uh the the 1128 00:39:52,710 --> 00:39:51,440 wolfgang ward at wardork was part of the 1129 00:39:54,630 --> 00:39:52,720 committee that looked into it was the 1130 00:39:56,550 --> 00:39:54,640 pace committee and they determined that 1131 00:39:58,310 --> 00:39:56,560 18 billion dollars have been squandered 1132 00:40:00,150 --> 00:39:58,320 worldwide and in response to that 1133 00:40:03,109 --> 00:40:00,160 margaret chan who was then the director 1134 00:40:05,430 --> 00:40:03,119 general said that we can't really um 1135 00:40:08,390 --> 00:40:05,440 uh lose sight of the fact that epidemics 1136 00:40:10,950 --> 00:40:08,400 are an opportunity to reform society and 1137 00:40:12,870 --> 00:40:10,960 uh and for significant societal change 1138 00:40:14,390 --> 00:40:12,880 and that's really what this is all about 1139 00:40:16,309 --> 00:40:14,400 and unfortunately nobody was paying 1140 00:40:18,550 --> 00:40:16,319 attention to it but people like me back 1141 00:40:20,710 --> 00:40:18,560 then and so here we are right now 1142 00:40:22,790 --> 00:40:20,720 um the other thing is that in the book 1143 00:40:25,990 --> 00:40:22,800 you probably saw that what you have is 1144 00:40:28,309 --> 00:40:26,000 all the the characters uniting back back 1145 00:40:30,390 --> 00:40:28,319 in bed again the rockefeller foundation 1146 00:40:33,270 --> 00:40:30,400 and the nazis had collaborated before 1147 00:40:35,349 --> 00:40:33,280 world war ii to do eugenics experiments 1148 00:40:36,790 --> 00:40:35,359 hitler had used the medical profession 1149 00:40:38,950 --> 00:40:36,800 there's a great documentary called the 1150 00:40:41,349 --> 00:40:38,960 killing nurses of the third reich he was 1151 00:40:43,589 --> 00:40:41,359 using the medical profession 1152 00:40:45,750 --> 00:40:43,599 to kill undesirable people in group 1153 00:40:48,470 --> 00:40:45,760 homes long before the camps were ever 1154 00:40:51,190 --> 00:40:48,480 established he escalated he's like all 1155 00:40:53,190 --> 00:40:51,200 serial killers escalate over time fauci 1156 00:40:54,630 --> 00:40:53,200 has hitler did 1157 00:40:56,790 --> 00:40:54,640 since the beginning of time it's always 1158 00:40:58,550 --> 00:40:56,800 been the same thing and so when this 1159 00:41:00,390 --> 00:40:58,560 happened i mean i i knew from all the 1160 00:41:02,550 --> 00:41:00,400 research i'd done before exactly what it 1161 00:41:04,230 --> 00:41:02,560 was didn't know how deep and dark it was 1162 00:41:06,710 --> 00:41:04,240 going to get but i knew this was going 1163 00:41:08,470 --> 00:41:06,720 to be a global thing and if you go back 1164 00:41:10,790 --> 00:41:08,480 and look at the p how the pieces were 1165 00:41:12,710 --> 00:41:10,800 put into place even putting tedros in 1166 00:41:15,750 --> 00:41:12,720 the world health organization it was a 1167 00:41:18,150 --> 00:41:15,760 good friend of president xi of china and 1168 00:41:20,230 --> 00:41:18,160 president xi's wife who's listed as an 1169 00:41:22,150 --> 00:41:20,240 opera singer and the world health 1170 00:41:23,910 --> 00:41:22,160 organizations goodwill ambassadors club 1171 00:41:25,750 --> 00:41:23,920 she's actually a general in the people's 1172 00:41:27,270 --> 00:41:25,760 army and she's in charge of the program 1173 00:41:29,270 --> 00:41:27,280 where they get the body parts from the 1174 00:41:30,470 --> 00:41:29,280 uyghurs and we have film of her singing 1175 00:41:32,870 --> 00:41:30,480 in tiananmen square while they're 1176 00:41:34,950 --> 00:41:32,880 machine gunning down you know protesters 1177 00:41:36,870 --> 00:41:34,960 and you know just this cast of 1178 00:41:38,550 --> 00:41:36,880 characters they're all just nefarious 1179 00:41:41,030 --> 00:41:38,560 people that you don't want in charge of 1180 00:41:43,589 --> 00:41:41,040 anything uh that has to do with with 1181 00:41:44,470 --> 00:41:43,599 human survival let alone human health 1182 00:41:47,270 --> 00:41:44,480 right 1183 00:41:49,349 --> 00:41:47,280 so um so anyway it's a yes it was a 1184 00:41:51,510 --> 00:41:49,359 global initiative and it's been planned 1185 00:41:53,670 --> 00:41:51,520 for a long time but i'll tell you 1186 00:41:55,589 --> 00:41:53,680 something interesting about it 1187 00:41:57,109 --> 00:41:55,599 if you look at all the scenario planning 1188 00:41:59,670 --> 00:41:57,119 that they did and there was a lot of it 1189 00:42:03,030 --> 00:41:59,680 during that 10-year 10 11 year period 1190 00:42:05,190 --> 00:42:03,040 um none of it contemplates what happens 1191 00:42:07,270 --> 00:42:05,200 if something goes wrong which is either 1192 00:42:09,190 --> 00:42:07,280 because they had not planned to do it as 1193 00:42:10,870 --> 00:42:09,200 soon as they did or because they're so 1194 00:42:13,109 --> 00:42:10,880 arrogant they thought nothing would go 1195 00:42:15,270 --> 00:42:13,119 wrong and from the get-go they had a 1196 00:42:16,550 --> 00:42:15,280 problem not all countries locked down 1197 00:42:17,829 --> 00:42:16,560 they couldn't walk down the whole 1198 00:42:19,750 --> 00:42:17,839 country here 1199 00:42:21,750 --> 00:42:19,760 trump came out with the warp speed thing 1200 00:42:23,670 --> 00:42:21,760 and the plan was keep everybody locked 1201 00:42:26,150 --> 00:42:23,680 down for two years like australia where 1202 00:42:28,790 --> 00:42:26,160 people would do anything to go outside 1203 00:42:31,190 --> 00:42:28,800 right well that didn't happen and then 1204 00:42:33,750 --> 00:42:31,200 the scrappy group in ohio started 1205 00:42:36,069 --> 00:42:33,760 speaking out and starting lawsuits and 1206 00:42:38,309 --> 00:42:36,079 disobeying because civil disobedience 1207 00:42:40,550 --> 00:42:38,319 has been a lot of our program too and so 1208 00:42:42,470 --> 00:42:40,560 it just hasn't gone so well for them for 1209 00:42:44,710 --> 00:42:42,480 all that money and intellect that they 1210 00:42:45,750 --> 00:42:44,720 claim to bring to the table to control 1211 00:42:47,990 --> 00:42:45,760 us 1212 00:42:50,150 --> 00:42:48,000 yeah but to continue with the sports 1213 00:42:52,390 --> 00:42:50,160 analogies they get a lot of swings at 1214 00:42:53,829 --> 00:42:52,400 the plate you know what i mean so 1215 00:42:58,390 --> 00:42:53,839 it ain't over 1216 00:43:00,550 --> 00:42:58,400 but every every swing at the plate gets 1217 00:43:03,030 --> 00:43:00,560 care more careless that's the thing that 1218 00:43:05,990 --> 00:43:03,040 to look at it gets more careless and 1219 00:43:08,150 --> 00:43:06,000 it's more um it's less incremental and 1220 00:43:10,470 --> 00:43:08,160 incremental is the only way you keep 1221 00:43:12,790 --> 00:43:10,480 this going so what we're left with is 1222 00:43:14,470 --> 00:43:12,800 the stupidest people in the country are 1223 00:43:16,710 --> 00:43:14,480 the only ones left that are buying into 1224 00:43:18,390 --> 00:43:16,720 this so you have people like me who from 1225 00:43:20,870 --> 00:43:18,400 the get-go and you understood something 1226 00:43:22,790 --> 00:43:20,880 was wrong you had people who are stupid 1227 00:43:24,550 --> 00:43:22,800 beyond comprehension these are the sheep 1228 00:43:25,750 --> 00:43:24,560 who are wearing masks in their cars and 1229 00:43:26,390 --> 00:43:25,760 we're not going to do anything for those 1230 00:43:29,670 --> 00:43:26,400 people 1231 00:43:30,950 --> 00:43:29,680 persuadable 1232 00:43:32,630 --> 00:43:30,960 and those are the ones that are going to 1233 00:43:35,750 --> 00:43:32,640 make the difference and they're coming 1234 00:43:38,710 --> 00:43:35,760 our way they're not picking up anybody 1235 00:43:40,309 --> 00:43:38,720 nobody is going to their side at this 1236 00:43:43,109 --> 00:43:40,319 point in time it's the bleeding is the 1237 00:43:46,550 --> 00:43:43,119 way from their side at this point i i i 1238 00:43:49,430 --> 00:43:46,560 love i i love it i i have a sense that 1239 00:43:51,190 --> 00:43:49,440 it's true but i'm not totally sure 1240 00:43:52,790 --> 00:43:51,200 um 1241 00:43:54,390 --> 00:43:52,800 what do you think you you kind of 1242 00:43:56,470 --> 00:43:54,400 touched on this 1243 00:43:58,069 --> 00:43:56,480 what do you think of the great reset and 1244 00:43:59,750 --> 00:43:58,079 i want to approach that from a different 1245 00:44:01,829 --> 00:43:59,760 way than just the kind of charging up 1246 00:44:04,390 --> 00:44:01,839 the hill thing i want to approach it 1247 00:44:09,990 --> 00:44:06,790 there is some 1248 00:44:12,150 --> 00:44:10,000 plan behind this that is bigger and 1249 00:44:15,109 --> 00:44:12,160 seems to fit into 1250 00:44:16,790 --> 00:44:15,119 an overall plan that is we're 1251 00:44:19,589 --> 00:44:16,800 confronting on a bunch of different 1252 00:44:22,870 --> 00:44:19,599 levels whether it's uh economic and 1253 00:44:25,829 --> 00:44:22,880 global currency whether it's uh 1254 00:44:28,790 --> 00:44:25,839 political relationships geopolitics 1255 00:44:31,349 --> 00:44:28,800 arms race kind of thing political in 1256 00:44:34,309 --> 00:44:31,359 terms of communist versus you know 1257 00:44:37,670 --> 00:44:34,319 western liberalism all that stuff 1258 00:44:39,750 --> 00:44:37,680 the the we do feel a push towards from 1259 00:44:42,150 --> 00:44:39,760 the beginning they i mean they coined 1260 00:44:43,990 --> 00:44:42,160 the great reset like the day after you 1261 00:44:46,870 --> 00:44:44,000 know they rolled the thing out they 1262 00:44:48,230 --> 00:44:46,880 coined the new normal i mean i that was 1263 00:44:49,990 --> 00:44:48,240 one of the things that always struck me 1264 00:44:51,750 --> 00:44:50,000 is like 30 days into this they're like 1265 00:44:54,150 --> 00:44:51,760 new normal i'm like 1266 00:44:55,990 --> 00:44:54,160 wha why would what are you 30 days in 1267 00:44:58,069 --> 00:44:56,000 are we doing that so what what do you 1268 00:44:59,190 --> 00:44:58,079 think about the great reset and not just 1269 00:45:01,270 --> 00:44:59,200 the usual 1270 00:45:03,829 --> 00:45:01,280 pushback against the bilderbergs but 1271 00:45:04,950 --> 00:45:03,839 like what does that tell you 1272 00:45:07,510 --> 00:45:04,960 about 1273 00:45:08,710 --> 00:45:07,520 what is really going on on that on that 1274 00:45:11,109 --> 00:45:08,720 level 1275 00:45:13,109 --> 00:45:11,119 yeah so that's where it's really scary 1276 00:45:15,109 --> 00:45:13,119 because if you read the criminal clause 1277 00:45:16,870 --> 00:45:15,119 schwab's book he says he wants a billion 1278 00:45:18,470 --> 00:45:16,880 people on the planet he hopes that most 1279 00:45:19,829 --> 00:45:18,480 of them are asian because they follow 1280 00:45:21,670 --> 00:45:19,839 directions 1281 00:45:23,589 --> 00:45:21,680 and so this is this is where we get into 1282 00:45:26,309 --> 00:45:23,599 what's really going on here 1283 00:45:27,910 --> 00:45:26,319 and um and where i get the most pushback 1284 00:45:31,510 --> 00:45:27,920 from the other side they're trying to 1285 00:45:33,030 --> 00:45:31,520 kill us people all right so when people 1286 00:45:34,870 --> 00:45:33,040 the reason why this is important to 1287 00:45:35,589 --> 00:45:34,880 focus on i'm so glad you asked me about 1288 00:45:38,870 --> 00:45:35,599 it 1289 00:45:41,030 --> 00:45:38,880 is that when when people are um 1290 00:45:43,030 --> 00:45:41,040 when people are are talking about 1291 00:45:44,230 --> 00:45:43,040 whether or not you get the vaccine 1292 00:45:46,390 --> 00:45:44,240 and they say 1293 00:45:48,230 --> 00:45:46,400 well i want to travel 1294 00:45:51,270 --> 00:45:48,240 i want to i want to strangle them 1295 00:45:52,950 --> 00:45:51,280 through the phone connection or the zoom 1296 00:45:54,790 --> 00:45:52,960 connection 1297 00:45:56,630 --> 00:45:54,800 you want to travel and you're willing to 1298 00:45:57,990 --> 00:45:56,640 risk your life because if you don't go 1299 00:46:00,390 --> 00:45:58,000 to italy this year the world's going to 1300 00:46:02,710 --> 00:46:00,400 come to an end are you kidding me right 1301 00:46:05,430 --> 00:46:02,720 um it reminds me of again my world war 1302 00:46:06,790 --> 00:46:05,440 ii analogies um well at least if we go 1303 00:46:08,150 --> 00:46:06,800 into the ghetto we'll be able to keep 1304 00:46:09,670 --> 00:46:08,160 the family together well if twenty 1305 00:46:11,190 --> 00:46:09,680 thousand people have refused to go into 1306 00:46:12,790 --> 00:46:11,200 the ghetto and you had a shootout in the 1307 00:46:13,990 --> 00:46:12,800 middle of the street loads pulling well 1308 00:46:15,510 --> 00:46:14,000 everybody would have known what's going 1309 00:46:17,750 --> 00:46:15,520 on it would have started to unravel at 1310 00:46:18,550 --> 00:46:17,760 that point in time so this this i you 1311 00:46:20,710 --> 00:46:18,560 know 1312 00:46:22,230 --> 00:46:20,720 if my child takes a year off of college 1313 00:46:24,069 --> 00:46:22,240 the world will come to an end because 1314 00:46:26,230 --> 00:46:24,079 you know everybody who's dropped out of 1315 00:46:29,150 --> 00:46:26,240 college for a year ends up dead or 1316 00:46:31,030 --> 00:46:29,160 ruined right i mean the the ridiculous 1317 00:46:32,870 --> 00:46:31,040 justifications for 1318 00:46:35,670 --> 00:46:32,880 doing something that is so clearly 1319 00:46:37,510 --> 00:46:35,680 harmful and i've chosen to take a pretty 1320 00:46:39,349 --> 00:46:37,520 as strange as this might sound based on 1321 00:46:41,750 --> 00:46:39,359 my rhetoric right now but i've chosen to 1322 00:46:44,390 --> 00:46:41,760 take a very conservative approach to 1323 00:46:47,030 --> 00:46:44,400 helping people understand this right 1324 00:46:48,790 --> 00:46:47,040 so so here is what's going on right now 1325 00:46:49,990 --> 00:46:48,800 and then you tell me what you think is 1326 00:46:52,790 --> 00:46:50,000 behind it 1327 00:46:55,910 --> 00:46:52,800 we've got a vaccine that has killed 15 1328 00:46:57,910 --> 00:46:55,920 000 people the cdc is willing to admit 1329 00:46:59,910 --> 00:46:57,920 all right now we've got insiders that 1330 00:47:02,150 --> 00:46:59,920 are giving us screenshots of how many 1331 00:47:03,750 --> 00:47:02,160 people from their database how many 1332 00:47:05,670 --> 00:47:03,760 people really died and the only thing 1333 00:47:07,670 --> 00:47:05,680 anybody's ever been able to do to refute 1334 00:47:08,870 --> 00:47:07,680 it is a reporter who claimed on the 1335 00:47:10,309 --> 00:47:08,880 other side that 1336 00:47:11,750 --> 00:47:10,319 that medicare doesn't maintain a 1337 00:47:13,750 --> 00:47:11,760 database like they're all sitting there 1338 00:47:15,670 --> 00:47:13,760 with typewriters sending out invoices 1339 00:47:17,430 --> 00:47:15,680 for stuff right and come on right 1340 00:47:19,910 --> 00:47:17,440 all right but let's just go with cdc's 1341 00:47:22,950 --> 00:47:19,920 number about 15 000 people 1342 00:47:25,990 --> 00:47:22,960 in 1976 when that swine flu thing 1343 00:47:28,710 --> 00:47:26,000 happened 56 people had died when they 1344 00:47:29,710 --> 00:47:28,720 aborted the plan 56 1345 00:47:32,630 --> 00:47:29,720 all right 1346 00:47:34,069 --> 00:47:32,640 674 end up dying dying 1347 00:47:35,270 --> 00:47:34,079 total because some of them didn't die 1348 00:47:38,150 --> 00:47:35,280 until after 1349 00:47:39,270 --> 00:47:38,160 it was looked upon as catastrophic you 1350 00:47:41,190 --> 00:47:39,280 could never let something like that 1351 00:47:43,670 --> 00:47:41,200 happen in the united states again 1352 00:47:45,270 --> 00:47:43,680 all right so they kill 15 000 people and 1353 00:47:47,510 --> 00:47:45,280 the people in charge want to give it to 1354 00:47:49,190 --> 00:47:47,520 a five-year-old 1355 00:47:51,829 --> 00:47:49,200 now what does that tell you about what 1356 00:47:54,069 --> 00:47:51,839 the intentions are they're trying to 1357 00:47:56,870 --> 00:47:54,079 kill us all right 1358 00:47:58,710 --> 00:47:56,880 and and and i don't even think the cms 1359 00:48:00,630 --> 00:47:58,720 database it really reflects how many 1360 00:48:02,549 --> 00:48:00,640 people have died because you have all 1361 00:48:03,829 --> 00:48:02,559 these stories coming in and there's two 1362 00:48:06,230 --> 00:48:03,839 ways that they're killing us by the way 1363 00:48:07,910 --> 00:48:06,240 the vaccines and then boosters if we 1364 00:48:09,349 --> 00:48:07,920 don't kill we don't only kill so many 1365 00:48:11,270 --> 00:48:09,359 people with the first round and then 1366 00:48:13,190 --> 00:48:11,280 boosters after that and then they're 1367 00:48:16,150 --> 00:48:13,200 killing people in the hospitals by 1368 00:48:19,030 --> 00:48:16,160 providing inappropriate treatment and 1369 00:48:20,710 --> 00:48:19,040 withholding the right treatment 1370 00:48:22,390 --> 00:48:20,720 and even hospitalizing people who don't 1371 00:48:23,990 --> 00:48:22,400 belong there and and this is all 1372 00:48:25,910 --> 00:48:24,000 starting to come out now there's a very 1373 00:48:27,990 --> 00:48:25,920 good video of a guy in chattanooga 1374 00:48:29,829 --> 00:48:28,000 tennessee who's whose brother was 1375 00:48:31,910 --> 00:48:29,839 literally kidnapped by the hospital they 1376 00:48:34,710 --> 00:48:31,920 wouldn't let him leave can you imagine 1377 00:48:36,870 --> 00:48:34,720 being an adult i'm 65 years old and the 1378 00:48:39,589 --> 00:48:36,880 hospital says i'm not allowed to get up 1379 00:48:40,870 --> 00:48:39,599 and walk out of the hospital perfectly 1380 00:48:43,990 --> 00:48:40,880 capable of doing that i got to be 1381 00:48:46,230 --> 00:48:44,000 kidnapped back by my family right 1382 00:48:48,069 --> 00:48:46,240 so so this is about killing people to 1383 00:48:49,990 --> 00:48:48,079 your point the great reset is really 1384 00:48:52,470 --> 00:48:50,000 about killing people 1385 00:48:55,670 --> 00:48:52,480 i i'm with you i'm a little bit hesitant 1386 00:48:57,990 --> 00:48:55,680 to just focus on the vaccine numbers and 1387 00:49:01,190 --> 00:48:58,000 it's not like you're doing that because 1388 00:49:03,109 --> 00:49:01,200 to me this is not news to anyone you 1389 00:49:03,990 --> 00:49:03,119 know the death rate from 1390 00:49:05,750 --> 00:49:04,000 the 1391 00:49:08,150 --> 00:49:05,760 pandemic is 1392 00:49:11,030 --> 00:49:08,160 10x when you look at the peripheral 1393 00:49:12,309 --> 00:49:11,040 damage right i mean it's just 10x the 1394 00:49:14,630 --> 00:49:12,319 number of people that don't get treated 1395 00:49:17,109 --> 00:49:14,640 for diabetes you know 1396 00:49:22,470 --> 00:49:19,910 mental health uh mental health uh you 1397 00:49:25,670 --> 00:49:22,480 know all that stuff so 1398 00:49:28,630 --> 00:49:25,680 the numbers there but also just i think 1399 00:49:30,950 --> 00:49:28,640 we all understand and your analogy with 1400 00:49:33,670 --> 00:49:30,960 uh world war ii is hard for people to 1401 00:49:36,549 --> 00:49:33,680 hear but we can equally have the analogy 1402 00:49:38,790 --> 00:49:36,559 with north korea or china which really 1403 00:49:41,510 --> 00:49:38,800 isn't far behind and we say you know if 1404 00:49:43,030 --> 00:49:41,520 you have that level of control over the 1405 00:49:45,589 --> 00:49:43,040 population 1406 00:49:49,750 --> 00:49:45,599 and that kind of unbridled 1407 00:49:51,750 --> 00:49:49,760 psychopathic kind of thing well then 1408 00:49:53,589 --> 00:49:51,760 vaccines are kind of the least of your 1409 00:49:55,030 --> 00:49:53,599 worry they can they could 1410 00:49:57,510 --> 00:49:55,040 get rid of 1411 00:50:00,069 --> 00:49:57,520 there's a lot of ways to to implement 1412 00:50:02,230 --> 00:50:00,079 the overall plan what you keep pointing 1413 00:50:04,230 --> 00:50:02,240 us towards is 1414 00:50:06,230 --> 00:50:04,240 this thing it's about compliance it's 1415 00:50:09,109 --> 00:50:06,240 not about science and as long as we 1416 00:50:13,430 --> 00:50:09,119 comply then we're further down the path 1417 00:50:15,710 --> 00:50:13,440 of the great reset and do you see any 1418 00:50:17,670 --> 00:50:15,720 do you see any 1419 00:50:20,069 --> 00:50:17,680 justification 1420 00:50:22,870 --> 00:50:20,079 for the great reset play devil's 1421 00:50:25,430 --> 00:50:22,880 advocate for a minute can in any way you 1422 00:50:28,150 --> 00:50:25,440 see that this kind of 1423 00:50:31,190 --> 00:50:28,160 somebody needs to rule the world kind of 1424 00:50:33,349 --> 00:50:31,200 ethos because i i have to say i can put 1425 00:50:35,030 --> 00:50:33,359 myself in that mental space a little bit 1426 00:50:37,910 --> 00:50:35,040 because you have to you know what i mean 1427 00:50:41,190 --> 00:50:37,920 there are countries out there that are 1428 00:50:45,109 --> 00:50:41,200 doing really really crazy stuff 1429 00:50:47,829 --> 00:50:45,119 and we need to oppose that we just don't 1430 00:50:51,109 --> 00:50:47,839 need to oppose it from this crazy 1431 00:50:53,349 --> 00:50:51,119 psychopathic kind of people in control 1432 00:50:55,589 --> 00:50:53,359 things so doesn't that i just like when 1433 00:50:57,589 --> 00:50:55,599 that comes into play because 1434 00:50:59,589 --> 00:50:57,599 we do have a sense of that we do have a 1435 00:51:03,030 --> 00:50:59,599 sense of the original some of the 1436 00:51:04,630 --> 00:51:03,040 original ideas of this experiment 1437 00:51:06,790 --> 00:51:04,640 do make sense in terms of this 1438 00:51:08,309 --> 00:51:06,800 experiment being america 1439 00:51:12,230 --> 00:51:08,319 yeah and our freedom and our bill of 1440 00:51:15,430 --> 00:51:12,240 rights but our history doesn't conform 1441 00:51:17,829 --> 00:51:15,440 with that perfectly to say the least 1442 00:51:20,150 --> 00:51:17,839 well first of all we've you know i i 1443 00:51:22,710 --> 00:51:20,160 think a lot of things the first thing is 1444 00:51:23,510 --> 00:51:22,720 nobody's history is perfect 1445 00:51:28,630 --> 00:51:23,520 and 1446 00:51:30,870 --> 00:51:28,640 world there's no place in the world 1447 00:51:33,670 --> 00:51:30,880 where people want to come more than here 1448 00:51:35,030 --> 00:51:33,680 no place they're not flocking to germany 1449 00:51:37,349 --> 00:51:35,040 they're not beating down the doors to 1450 00:51:39,510 --> 00:51:37,359 illegally immigrate into australia not 1451 00:51:40,950 --> 00:51:39,520 like here not like everybody wants to be 1452 00:51:42,710 --> 00:51:40,960 here okay 1453 00:51:44,870 --> 00:51:42,720 because it is 1454 00:51:47,030 --> 00:51:44,880 up until recently a free place it was 1455 00:51:49,349 --> 00:51:47,040 the beacon of the world and by the way 1456 00:51:51,589 --> 00:51:49,359 i talk to people all over the world 1457 00:51:53,750 --> 00:51:51,599 and we have a counterpart in canada now 1458 00:51:55,829 --> 00:51:53,760 there's a make canadian spree again 1459 00:51:57,030 --> 00:51:55,839 started by a friend of mine 1460 00:51:59,349 --> 00:51:57,040 and um 1461 00:52:01,109 --> 00:51:59,359 so people are watching what happens here 1462 00:52:03,109 --> 00:52:01,119 is going to determine what happens in 1463 00:52:05,109 --> 00:52:03,119 other places because we still are the 1464 00:52:06,390 --> 00:52:05,119 leaders of the world and the leader of 1465 00:52:08,630 --> 00:52:06,400 the free world 1466 00:52:11,030 --> 00:52:08,640 in terms of our country not in terms of 1467 00:52:12,950 --> 00:52:11,040 anybody in washington dc and we are 1468 00:52:15,109 --> 00:52:12,960 going to set this right and that will 1469 00:52:17,109 --> 00:52:15,119 have a big ripple effect 1470 00:52:19,349 --> 00:52:17,119 but you know if you go back and read 1471 00:52:21,030 --> 00:52:19,359 through history when there were five 1472 00:52:22,470 --> 00:52:21,040 billion people on the planet people said 1473 00:52:23,910 --> 00:52:22,480 if we go to six billion the planet's 1474 00:52:26,549 --> 00:52:23,920 gonna blow up and then it's seven 1475 00:52:28,470 --> 00:52:26,559 billion plan this scare tactic about the 1476 00:52:30,710 --> 00:52:28,480 world's coming to an end and look at how 1477 00:52:32,549 --> 00:52:30,720 the narrative changes we used to talk 1478 00:52:34,790 --> 00:52:32,559 about global warming and new york was 1479 00:52:36,710 --> 00:52:34,800 going to be flooded by the year 2002 and 1480 00:52:38,870 --> 00:52:36,720 then it didn't flood and then 1481 00:52:40,950 --> 00:52:38,880 climate change is what we talk about now 1482 00:52:43,270 --> 00:52:40,960 because the ice caps are expanding not 1483 00:52:45,030 --> 00:52:43,280 okay so so the predictions have all been 1484 00:52:48,309 --> 00:52:45,040 wrong all right they've just all been 1485 00:52:50,069 --> 00:52:48,319 wrong and so here's what i think i think 1486 00:52:51,670 --> 00:52:50,079 that the world has a lot of problems i 1487 00:52:54,309 --> 00:52:51,680 think the united states has a lot of 1488 00:52:55,430 --> 00:52:54,319 problems and the way that you solve that 1489 00:52:57,190 --> 00:52:55,440 is through 1490 00:52:59,190 --> 00:52:57,200 winning ideas 1491 00:53:01,109 --> 00:52:59,200 that people are interested in 1492 00:53:03,510 --> 00:53:01,119 and if you take a look at 1493 00:53:05,270 --> 00:53:03,520 what has happened here the bottom line 1494 00:53:07,270 --> 00:53:05,280 is that these criminals could not sell 1495 00:53:09,510 --> 00:53:07,280 their ideas to people 1496 00:53:11,349 --> 00:53:09,520 so they took over by force 1497 00:53:14,069 --> 00:53:11,359 which tells you something all right 1498 00:53:16,230 --> 00:53:14,079 nobody likes our ideas so we have to 1499 00:53:17,910 --> 00:53:16,240 cheat in elections we have to take over 1500 00:53:19,670 --> 00:53:17,920 by force we have to declare a fake 1501 00:53:21,030 --> 00:53:19,680 pandemic we have to lock everybody in 1502 00:53:23,270 --> 00:53:21,040 their house we have to bankrupt 1503 00:53:24,470 --> 00:53:23,280 businesses and destroy children because 1504 00:53:26,790 --> 00:53:24,480 that's the only way we're going to get 1505 00:53:27,750 --> 00:53:26,800 our way because nobody buys what we're 1506 00:53:29,750 --> 00:53:27,760 selling 1507 00:53:32,470 --> 00:53:29,760 all right it's like hitler nobody bought 1508 00:53:35,030 --> 00:53:32,480 what he was selling okay except for 1509 00:53:37,109 --> 00:53:35,040 dutiful germans everybody else was just 1510 00:53:39,910 --> 00:53:37,119 destroyed in his path right 1511 00:53:41,430 --> 00:53:39,920 so so we're gonna go back to 1512 00:53:42,710 --> 00:53:41,440 a war of ideas we're going to we're 1513 00:53:44,470 --> 00:53:42,720 going to be americans and we're going to 1514 00:53:46,630 --> 00:53:44,480 scream and holler at each other and 1515 00:53:48,309 --> 00:53:46,640 that's healthy all right and we're going 1516 00:53:50,150 --> 00:53:48,319 to have two political parties that 1517 00:53:53,270 --> 00:53:50,160 function in some way shape or form the 1518 00:53:55,670 --> 00:53:53,280 radical factions of both the the the 1519 00:53:57,670 --> 00:53:55,680 weak faction of republicans that are 1520 00:54:00,309 --> 00:53:57,680 worthless humans are going to be gone by 1521 00:54:02,069 --> 00:54:00,319 the wayside and the radical faction of 1522 00:54:04,710 --> 00:54:02,079 the democrats who don't represent 1523 00:54:07,109 --> 00:54:04,720 anybody anymore they represent china all 1524 00:54:08,870 --> 00:54:07,119 right and and despotism 1525 00:54:10,950 --> 00:54:08,880 they're going to be gone and we're going 1526 00:54:12,950 --> 00:54:10,960 to restore america to what it was before 1527 00:54:15,190 --> 00:54:12,960 and it's all of its imperfection we're 1528 00:54:17,030 --> 00:54:15,200 going to scream and holler at each other 1529 00:54:20,230 --> 00:54:17,040 we're going to fight and scrap and we're 1530 00:54:21,829 --> 00:54:20,240 going to have wars of ideas and that is 1531 00:54:25,190 --> 00:54:21,839 that is how you 1532 00:54:27,430 --> 00:54:25,200 solve problems and we did it it hasn't 1533 00:54:29,829 --> 00:54:27,440 been perfect and it hasn't been smooth 1534 00:54:31,750 --> 00:54:29,839 and it's had a lot of bumps and all that 1535 00:54:34,230 --> 00:54:31,760 kind of stuff but bottom line 1536 00:54:35,990 --> 00:54:34,240 that's how we functioned up until now 1537 00:54:37,670 --> 00:54:36,000 and the world isn't going to come to an 1538 00:54:39,430 --> 00:54:37,680 end if we end up with eight billion 1539 00:54:40,950 --> 00:54:39,440 instead of seven and a half billion it's 1540 00:54:43,190 --> 00:54:40,960 going to have its share of problems but 1541 00:54:45,270 --> 00:54:43,200 we've been pretty good at somehow 1542 00:54:47,510 --> 00:54:45,280 solving all of that and what we what we 1543 00:54:49,670 --> 00:54:47,520 did in the process of ignoring our 1544 00:54:51,510 --> 00:54:49,680 history and the fact that we have solved 1545 00:54:54,069 --> 00:54:51,520 problems as imperfectly as they've been 1546 00:54:55,430 --> 00:54:54,079 solved as we we converted to a theater 1547 00:54:58,230 --> 00:54:55,440 of the absurd 1548 00:55:00,309 --> 00:54:58,240 where a spoiled child from scandinavia 1549 00:55:02,789 --> 00:55:00,319 comes and lectures a bunch of adults at 1550 00:55:04,950 --> 00:55:02,799 the united nations and and instead of 1551 00:55:06,870 --> 00:55:04,960 finding it distasteful you have a bunch 1552 00:55:08,230 --> 00:55:06,880 of cartoon characters saying we need to 1553 00:55:09,510 --> 00:55:08,240 learn from her 1554 00:55:11,109 --> 00:55:09,520 and yeah 1555 00:55:12,630 --> 00:55:11,119 her parents should have spanked her all 1556 00:55:14,870 --> 00:55:12,640 right well i want to get to two more 1557 00:55:15,910 --> 00:55:14,880 points before we before we wrap this up 1558 00:55:17,589 --> 00:55:15,920 because i do appreciate what you're 1559 00:55:20,789 --> 00:55:17,599 saying and you know i should add to that 1560 00:55:23,109 --> 00:55:20,799 as people point out you know the global 1561 00:55:25,270 --> 00:55:23,119 growth of the population 1562 00:55:27,109 --> 00:55:25,280 is flattening there's there's no 1563 00:55:28,950 --> 00:55:27,119 question about that and i so there's 1564 00:55:30,950 --> 00:55:28,960 there's definitely merit in what you're 1565 00:55:32,069 --> 00:55:30,960 saying so i want to hear that 1566 00:55:33,990 --> 00:55:32,079 two 1567 00:55:35,349 --> 00:55:34,000 really important areas i'm hoping we can 1568 00:55:38,390 --> 00:55:35,359 get to and cover in the little bit of 1569 00:55:41,190 --> 00:55:38,400 time we have left it one is 1570 00:55:44,309 --> 00:55:41,200 pam how can your model 1571 00:55:45,829 --> 00:55:44,319 be expanded extended 1572 00:55:47,910 --> 00:55:45,839 replicated 1573 00:55:49,430 --> 00:55:47,920 in these other areas that the battle is 1574 00:55:51,190 --> 00:55:49,440 going on and you already mentioned a 1575 00:55:53,030 --> 00:55:51,200 couple like in education it just kind of 1576 00:55:55,109 --> 00:55:53,040 naturally falls out of that but i'm 1577 00:55:57,270 --> 00:55:55,119 thinking in terms of cancel culture 1578 00:55:58,710 --> 00:55:57,280 shadow banning d platforming all of 1579 00:56:00,870 --> 00:55:58,720 which you've 1580 00:56:03,589 --> 00:56:00,880 experienced personally but it's been 1581 00:56:06,390 --> 00:56:03,599 under the health umbrella it also is an 1582 00:56:09,750 --> 00:56:06,400 issue just more broadly it from a 1583 00:56:12,230 --> 00:56:09,760 cultural issue it ties into the big tech 1584 00:56:14,950 --> 00:56:12,240 issues it ties into the whole issue of 1585 00:56:17,349 --> 00:56:14,960 ai and myth of progress and google and 1586 00:56:19,109 --> 00:56:17,359 all that kind of stuff but my specific 1587 00:56:21,430 --> 00:56:19,119 question is 1588 00:56:23,589 --> 00:56:21,440 what advice ideas opinions do you have 1589 00:56:26,789 --> 00:56:23,599 about how your model 1590 00:56:29,430 --> 00:56:26,799 can be extended into these other areas 1591 00:56:32,390 --> 00:56:29,440 it's already happening and not due to me 1592 00:56:34,789 --> 00:56:32,400 it's happening because um cnn's audience 1593 00:56:36,069 --> 00:56:34,799 is so small right now i can afford to 1594 00:56:37,510 --> 00:56:36,079 advertise 1595 00:56:38,710 --> 00:56:37,520 i mean it's really funny when you think 1596 00:56:40,789 --> 00:56:38,720 about it right 1597 00:56:42,150 --> 00:56:40,799 so so they're even self-destructing 1598 00:56:43,589 --> 00:56:42,160 there 1599 00:56:45,670 --> 00:56:43,599 through their ridiculousness in other 1600 00:56:47,430 --> 00:56:45,680 words a little bit of censorship 1601 00:56:49,349 --> 00:56:47,440 everybody tolerated we knew what was 1602 00:56:51,430 --> 00:56:49,359 going on but then they went off the deep 1603 00:56:52,950 --> 00:56:51,440 end and now nobody's watching 1604 00:56:54,390 --> 00:56:52,960 i mean a million people in the united 1605 00:56:56,230 --> 00:56:54,400 states watching a news show is 1606 00:56:58,789 --> 00:56:56,240 meaningless it's a blip 1607 00:57:01,910 --> 00:56:58,799 how do we sue google for their 1608 00:57:05,430 --> 00:57:01,920 most recent open open announcement that 1609 00:57:06,710 --> 00:57:05,440 on youtube any videos that contradict 1610 00:57:09,510 --> 00:57:06,720 the idea 1611 00:57:12,630 --> 00:57:09,520 that vaccines are safe 1612 00:57:14,950 --> 00:57:12,640 and effective any contradiction to that 1613 00:57:16,789 --> 00:57:14,960 is subject to be banning and somebody 1614 00:57:18,549 --> 00:57:16,799 needs to sue their ass 1615 00:57:20,789 --> 00:57:18,559 somebody does but it's it's almost 1616 00:57:22,630 --> 00:57:20,799 inconsequential from the standpoint that 1617 00:57:24,390 --> 00:57:22,640 most of us are posting stuff other 1618 00:57:25,589 --> 00:57:24,400 places and our audiences are bigger 1619 00:57:27,349 --> 00:57:25,599 there 1620 00:57:29,030 --> 00:57:27,359 so again if your idea is you're going to 1621 00:57:30,710 --> 00:57:29,040 control the world by controlling the 1622 00:57:32,789 --> 00:57:30,720 media that only works if there's no 1623 00:57:35,510 --> 00:57:32,799 other media 1624 00:57:37,750 --> 00:57:35,520 okay in other words if everybody had to 1625 00:57:38,789 --> 00:57:37,760 if it would in north korea at one point 1626 00:57:40,710 --> 00:57:38,799 in time 1627 00:57:41,750 --> 00:57:40,720 everybody had to have a radio in their 1628 00:57:43,750 --> 00:57:41,760 house 1629 00:57:45,430 --> 00:57:43,760 and the radio only had one station and 1630 00:57:47,990 --> 00:57:45,440 you had to have it on 1631 00:57:50,230 --> 00:57:48,000 that would be bad but right now there 1632 00:57:52,150 --> 00:57:50,240 are tons of other media outlets and 1633 00:57:54,309 --> 00:57:52,160 that's where most people went the 1634 00:57:56,069 --> 00:57:54,319 audience isn't there anymore and and so 1635 00:57:57,349 --> 00:57:56,079 the influence isn't there and that's 1636 00:57:59,589 --> 00:57:57,359 what's made that's what i'm talking 1637 00:58:01,750 --> 00:57:59,599 about about they're screwing themselves 1638 00:58:04,630 --> 00:58:01,760 in the way that they're going about it i 1639 00:58:07,670 --> 00:58:04,640 totally get that i just do think 1640 00:58:10,309 --> 00:58:07,680 we shouldn't leave those beach heads 1641 00:58:11,910 --> 00:58:10,319 kind of just alone well i don't think we 1642 00:58:14,069 --> 00:58:11,920 should either but you have to you can't 1643 00:58:15,829 --> 00:58:14,079 take care of everything at the same time 1644 00:58:17,990 --> 00:58:15,839 and and this is something that goes to 1645 00:58:19,829 --> 00:58:18,000 the way that i'm running my organization 1646 00:58:21,430 --> 00:58:19,839 and the way that tom renz is running the 1647 00:58:23,109 --> 00:58:21,440 legal team 1648 00:58:24,630 --> 00:58:23,119 okay you better focus on what's 1649 00:58:26,630 --> 00:58:24,640 important first 1650 00:58:29,109 --> 00:58:26,640 and what we're what we're the biggest 1651 00:58:31,349 --> 00:58:29,119 problem we have for it frankly is on our 1652 00:58:33,750 --> 00:58:31,359 side and the two things that the people 1653 00:58:35,750 --> 00:58:33,760 on our side do that drive me crazy and 1654 00:58:37,910 --> 00:58:35,760 interfere with getting something done 1655 00:58:39,510 --> 00:58:37,920 the first one's pants on fire all right 1656 00:58:40,950 --> 00:58:39,520 that's what i call it this is where 1657 00:58:42,150 --> 00:58:40,960 everybody's running around screaming how 1658 00:58:44,390 --> 00:58:42,160 you've got to sue this person that 1659 00:58:46,549 --> 00:58:44,400 person and and and just they're 1660 00:58:48,069 --> 00:58:46,559 violating my rights and screen and and 1661 00:58:49,430 --> 00:58:48,079 theater we're going to chase the school 1662 00:58:51,270 --> 00:58:49,440 board out of the building well you get 1663 00:58:52,789 --> 00:58:51,280 to be an internet star for 24 hours but 1664 00:58:54,470 --> 00:58:52,799 you do know those people are still on 1665 00:58:56,870 --> 00:58:54,480 the school board the next day right okay 1666 00:58:58,390 --> 00:58:56,880 this is kind of crazy behavior and and 1667 00:59:00,950 --> 00:58:58,400 you know what happens when people do 1668 00:59:02,950 --> 00:59:00,960 that george soros and bill gates open up 1669 00:59:05,109 --> 00:59:02,960 expensive champagne they say we knew we 1670 00:59:07,030 --> 00:59:05,119 could count on these stupid humans to 1671 00:59:07,829 --> 00:59:07,040 distract themselves with that nonsense 1672 00:59:09,750 --> 00:59:07,839 all right 1673 00:59:10,549 --> 00:59:09,760 and the other thing closely following 1674 00:59:13,670 --> 00:59:10,559 that 1675 00:59:16,470 --> 00:59:13,680 is hurry up and file 5 000 failed 1676 00:59:18,950 --> 00:59:16,480 lawsuits in this country mainly because 1677 00:59:20,950 --> 00:59:18,960 everybody thought that what you should 1678 00:59:22,309 --> 00:59:20,960 do is hurry up and file against 1679 00:59:23,510 --> 00:59:22,319 everybody we're going to google them 1680 00:59:24,789 --> 00:59:23,520 we're going to see cnn and we're going 1681 00:59:27,109 --> 00:59:24,799 to sue the world we're going to sue the 1682 00:59:30,150 --> 00:59:27,119 governor we'll just file paper the walls 1683 00:59:32,470 --> 00:59:30,160 with lawsuits they're ill-conceived and 1684 00:59:35,270 --> 00:59:32,480 that sort of thing so so my point is 1685 00:59:36,870 --> 00:59:35,280 that you're right you're spot on about 1686 00:59:38,549 --> 00:59:36,880 someday you gotta go after them but you 1687 00:59:40,230 --> 00:59:38,559 gotta pick your battles and right now if 1688 00:59:42,390 --> 00:59:40,240 we don't get ourselves free that's the 1689 00:59:45,589 --> 00:59:42,400 most important battle is to back these 1690 00:59:47,349 --> 00:59:45,599 people down and to and to really 1691 00:59:49,270 --> 00:59:47,359 mitigate the damage 1692 00:59:51,270 --> 00:59:49,280 and disable their system in other words 1693 00:59:52,230 --> 00:59:51,280 like i said the thing that they don't 1694 00:59:56,230 --> 00:59:52,240 want 1695 00:59:57,910 --> 00:59:56,240 is 200 000 independent health care 1696 00:59:59,990 --> 00:59:57,920 establishments out there 1697 01:00:01,670 --> 01:00:00,000 so that people say i don't really care 1698 01:00:04,069 --> 01:00:01,680 that mount carmel closed its medical 1699 01:00:06,870 --> 01:00:04,079 center i'm not going there anyway what 1700 01:00:08,069 --> 01:00:06,880 you really want is several million kids 1701 01:00:09,990 --> 01:00:08,079 being schooled at home and the parents 1702 01:00:12,069 --> 01:00:10,000 say you know what i don't care what you 1703 01:00:13,510 --> 01:00:12,079 do at the school board mask no mask you 1704 01:00:15,430 --> 01:00:13,520 can stand on your head i'm not even 1705 01:00:17,109 --> 01:00:15,440 showing up anymore that's how irrelevant 1706 01:00:19,030 --> 01:00:17,119 you are in my life 1707 01:00:21,190 --> 01:00:19,040 that's what you do right now you file 1708 01:00:23,190 --> 01:00:21,200 lawsuits that count it's not how many 1709 01:00:25,510 --> 01:00:23,200 it's how effective they are 1710 01:00:26,950 --> 01:00:25,520 and then later on as the thing turns 1711 01:00:28,230 --> 01:00:26,960 around you're going to see a lot of 1712 01:00:30,150 --> 01:00:28,240 justice and one of the things we're 1713 01:00:32,150 --> 01:00:30,160 going to do we'll go after 1714 01:00:33,750 --> 01:00:32,160 the doctors and the nurses who were 1715 01:00:35,829 --> 01:00:33,760 involved in some of the inappropriate 1716 01:00:37,589 --> 01:00:35,839 treatment in hospitals i mean everybody 1717 01:00:39,190 --> 01:00:37,599 ends up paying for what they did sooner 1718 01:00:41,430 --> 01:00:39,200 or later but you have to pick your 1719 01:00:43,430 --> 01:00:41,440 actions carefully when you don't have 1720 01:00:46,470 --> 01:00:43,440 unlimited resources and when the 1721 01:00:49,430 --> 01:00:46,480 circumstances are as dire as they are 1722 01:00:51,349 --> 01:00:49,440 awesome answer what i hear you saying is 1723 01:00:53,349 --> 01:00:51,359 you've thought it through and you 1724 01:00:56,069 --> 01:00:53,359 continue to return to that you're the 1725 01:00:57,510 --> 01:00:56,079 tip of the spear here and just keep 1726 01:01:00,069 --> 01:00:57,520 you've already made a little bit of 1727 01:01:02,710 --> 01:01:00,079 progress keep pushing on that rather 1728 01:01:05,589 --> 01:01:02,720 than diffuse the energy off in a million 1729 01:01:09,030 --> 01:01:05,599 different places makes sense i gotta say 1730 01:01:11,829 --> 01:01:09,040 it makes sense okay so final question 1731 01:01:14,950 --> 01:01:11,839 area topic i'm really most interested in 1732 01:01:18,549 --> 01:01:14,960 i'm not a religious person but i'm 1733 01:01:19,670 --> 01:01:18,559 certainly not an atheist and i just rail 1734 01:01:22,230 --> 01:01:19,680 against 1735 01:01:24,789 --> 01:01:22,240 how atheism has become 1736 01:01:26,390 --> 01:01:24,799 one of the tactics that's used here 1737 01:01:28,870 --> 01:01:26,400 you're a biological robot in a 1738 01:01:31,030 --> 01:01:28,880 meaningless universe so get on with it 1739 01:01:33,829 --> 01:01:31,040 whatever we tell you to do there is no 1740 01:01:34,710 --> 01:01:33,839 greater self within you which we all 1741 01:01:37,109 --> 01:01:34,720 know 1742 01:01:38,549 --> 01:01:37,119 very instinctively is completely 1743 01:01:41,349 --> 01:01:38,559 ridiculous 1744 01:01:45,349 --> 01:01:41,359 but the stuff we're talking about 1745 01:01:46,789 --> 01:01:45,359 can get very spiritual very quickly 1746 01:01:48,630 --> 01:01:46,799 what are your thoughts do you have any 1747 01:01:50,230 --> 01:01:48,640 thoughts on the deeper implications of 1748 01:01:53,030 --> 01:01:50,240 this i just wrote a book a couple years 1749 01:01:55,670 --> 01:01:53,040 ago why evil matters it's not about 1750 01:01:58,870 --> 01:01:55,680 documenting evil in this place it's 1751 01:02:02,710 --> 01:01:58,880 saying if we don't have a discussion 1752 01:02:04,150 --> 01:02:02,720 about evil that is beyond the kind of 1753 01:02:06,309 --> 01:02:04,160 atheistic 1754 01:02:07,829 --> 01:02:06,319 academia institutionalized both why 1755 01:02:10,309 --> 01:02:07,839 would we ever talk about that there 1756 01:02:12,390 --> 01:02:10,319 could never possibly be anything did you 1757 01:02:14,150 --> 01:02:12,400 forget you're a biological robot in a 1758 01:02:16,789 --> 01:02:14,160 meaningless universe so it's either that 1759 01:02:17,670 --> 01:02:16,799 discussion or it's let me pull out my 1760 01:02:21,109 --> 01:02:17,680 book 1761 01:02:22,870 --> 01:02:21,119 i will let you in with a lot of good 1762 01:02:24,470 --> 01:02:22,880 stuff that you want to hear but at the 1763 01:02:27,430 --> 01:02:24,480 end of the day i'm going to kind of 1764 01:02:29,190 --> 01:02:27,440 control you a little bit with my book so 1765 01:02:30,870 --> 01:02:29,200 what what i was always look what i was 1766 01:02:33,270 --> 01:02:30,880 looking for in that book is why evil 1767 01:02:36,230 --> 01:02:33,280 matters is like if if you have a forced 1768 01:02:39,109 --> 01:02:36,240 choice on evil is that it doesn't exist 1769 01:02:42,069 --> 01:02:39,119 or it only exists the way that my book 1770 01:02:43,910 --> 01:02:42,079 says it is you don't have any chance of 1771 01:02:45,029 --> 01:02:43,920 looking at like this situation we're on 1772 01:02:48,390 --> 01:02:45,039 and saying 1773 01:02:50,470 --> 01:02:48,400 there is something here that is 1774 01:02:52,230 --> 01:02:50,480 evil beyond we're not even sure what it 1775 01:02:54,870 --> 01:02:52,240 is but it's kind of beyond what we can 1776 01:02:57,270 --> 01:02:54,880 really wrap our hands around in terms of 1777 01:03:00,230 --> 01:02:57,280 somebody trying to get rich or somebody 1778 01:03:02,630 --> 01:03:00,240 just being on a power trip 1779 01:03:04,630 --> 01:03:02,640 have you given that any thought yeah 1780 01:03:07,109 --> 01:03:04,640 i think that what we're dealing with is 1781 01:03:09,430 --> 01:03:07,119 people who have no respect or regard for 1782 01:03:10,549 --> 01:03:09,440 human life for any life 1783 01:03:12,309 --> 01:03:10,559 okay 1784 01:03:14,630 --> 01:03:12,319 and i think i don't come at it i'm not a 1785 01:03:17,270 --> 01:03:14,640 devoutly religious person 1786 01:03:18,230 --> 01:03:17,280 although i think there's a god there's 1787 01:03:20,390 --> 01:03:18,240 something 1788 01:03:22,230 --> 01:03:20,400 um i think it's god 1789 01:03:24,630 --> 01:03:22,240 and i think that this is a battle 1790 01:03:26,630 --> 01:03:24,640 between good and evil it's not the first 1791 01:03:27,910 --> 01:03:26,640 time it's happened 1792 01:03:30,789 --> 01:03:27,920 and um 1793 01:03:33,190 --> 01:03:30,799 you know i i was a fan am a fan of 1794 01:03:34,549 --> 01:03:33,200 victor frankel's book man's uh search 1795 01:03:36,710 --> 01:03:34,559 for meaning 1796 01:03:38,950 --> 01:03:36,720 and um and so 1797 01:03:41,829 --> 01:03:38,960 whether you believe in god or not i 1798 01:03:44,470 --> 01:03:41,839 think that all people who have character 1799 01:03:46,789 --> 01:03:44,480 respect other humans and we respect 1800 01:03:48,950 --> 01:03:46,799 human life we respect all life to a 1801 01:03:50,870 --> 01:03:48,960 certain extent the animals and the birds 1802 01:03:54,069 --> 01:03:50,880 and the trees and we have some respect 1803 01:03:55,589 --> 01:03:54,079 for everything and all beings 1804 01:03:58,309 --> 01:03:55,599 and um 1805 01:04:00,870 --> 01:03:58,319 regardless of their defects and quirks 1806 01:04:04,390 --> 01:04:00,880 and furbillos and all that sort of thing 1807 01:04:07,589 --> 01:04:04,400 and so um the thing with evil people 1808 01:04:09,990 --> 01:04:07,599 is that they respect nobody and nothing 1809 01:04:11,910 --> 01:04:10,000 except for their quest for power 1810 01:04:14,069 --> 01:04:11,920 and they come at this from a place i 1811 01:04:15,910 --> 01:04:14,079 think i have some understanding of the 1812 01:04:18,390 --> 01:04:15,920 criminals mentality they know what's 1813 01:04:20,470 --> 01:04:18,400 best for everybody because they're so 1814 01:04:23,510 --> 01:04:20,480 smart and they're so rich 1815 01:04:26,870 --> 01:04:23,520 and they grossly underestimated the 1816 01:04:28,710 --> 01:04:26,880 human spirit and what i find incredibly 1817 01:04:31,589 --> 01:04:28,720 interesting is that with all of their 1818 01:04:34,150 --> 01:04:31,599 might and power and money 1819 01:04:36,630 --> 01:04:34,160 some little girl from columbus ohio has 1820 01:04:39,270 --> 01:04:36,640 interrupted their plan 1821 01:04:40,789 --> 01:04:39,280 think about it that's very distressing 1822 01:04:42,069 --> 01:04:40,799 to them and i'm not the only person 1823 01:04:44,870 --> 01:04:42,079 who's interrupted their plan there have 1824 01:04:46,630 --> 01:04:44,880 been a whole lot of nobodies from 1825 01:04:49,510 --> 01:04:46,640 various places like tom renz who's the 1826 01:04:51,670 --> 01:04:49,520 lawyer in fremont ohio i'm sure it 1827 01:04:54,150 --> 01:04:51,680 aggravates the heck out of them that tom 1828 01:04:56,549 --> 01:04:54,160 renz has interfered with their plan 1829 01:04:59,190 --> 01:04:56,559 right he's supposed to be a nobody 1830 01:05:01,349 --> 01:04:59,200 so so and this happens every time this 1831 01:05:03,589 --> 01:05:01,359 this is not the first good versus evil 1832 01:05:05,270 --> 01:05:03,599 it's just the biggest version of it 1833 01:05:07,990 --> 01:05:05,280 and i don't think you have to come at it 1834 01:05:09,910 --> 01:05:08,000 from a religious perspective the bible 1835 01:05:11,990 --> 01:05:09,920 the torah or 1836 01:05:14,309 --> 01:05:12,000 so some type of like you join my 1837 01:05:16,549 --> 01:05:14,319 religion my religion and then to you 1838 01:05:18,870 --> 01:05:16,559 know this is the pathway forward and out 1839 01:05:20,549 --> 01:05:18,880 of this i think it's it's simply what's 1840 01:05:22,470 --> 01:05:20,559 right and not right 1841 01:05:24,950 --> 01:05:22,480 and and most civilized people think 1842 01:05:26,710 --> 01:05:24,960 killing people is a bad idea all right 1843 01:05:28,870 --> 01:05:26,720 only criminals think that's a good idea 1844 01:05:29,990 --> 01:05:28,880 so so there's much i think you i think 1845 01:05:31,510 --> 01:05:30,000 this has brought a lot of people 1846 01:05:33,510 --> 01:05:31,520 together from a lot of different 1847 01:05:36,150 --> 01:05:33,520 backgrounds who who have made strange 1848 01:05:37,190 --> 01:05:36,160 bedfellows and i look at my own thursday 1849 01:05:39,029 --> 01:05:37,200 group 1850 01:05:40,470 --> 01:05:39,039 it's about equal democrats and 1851 01:05:42,630 --> 01:05:40,480 republicans 1852 01:05:44,470 --> 01:05:42,640 and they're all coming together saying 1853 01:05:45,910 --> 01:05:44,480 killing people is not right we share 1854 01:05:47,430 --> 01:05:45,920 that all right 1855 01:05:49,029 --> 01:05:47,440 putting people out of business is not 1856 01:05:51,190 --> 01:05:49,039 right controlling people through health 1857 01:05:53,510 --> 01:05:51,200 is not right making people get this job 1858 01:05:55,910 --> 01:05:53,520 is not right so so they're actually 1859 01:05:57,829 --> 01:05:55,920 bringing together people who before have 1860 01:05:59,430 --> 01:05:57,839 a lot to disagree about but now they 1861 01:06:01,190 --> 01:05:59,440 have this common ground that's very 1862 01:06:02,470 --> 01:06:01,200 important and fundamental to our 1863 01:06:05,589 --> 01:06:02,480 survival 1864 01:06:08,309 --> 01:06:05,599 and so um the criminals actually have 1865 01:06:10,789 --> 01:06:08,319 developed a plan that works in our favor 1866 01:06:12,789 --> 01:06:10,799 not theirs in the long term 1867 01:06:14,870 --> 01:06:12,799 it's just a lot of misery between now 1868 01:06:17,910 --> 01:06:14,880 and the long term 1869 01:06:20,390 --> 01:06:17,920 awesome our guest again has been dr pam 1870 01:06:22,549 --> 01:06:20,400 popper you're going to want to check out 1871 01:06:25,510 --> 01:06:22,559 wellness forum health 1872 01:06:28,150 --> 01:06:25,520 you can still google her and find her 1873 01:06:30,309 --> 01:06:28,160 you can even still find some videos on 1874 01:06:33,029 --> 01:06:30,319 youtube although she's very careful but 1875 01:06:33,910 --> 01:06:33,039 i love that she's still there because we 1876 01:06:36,309 --> 01:06:33,920 can't 1877 01:06:38,150 --> 01:06:36,319 let them own that and then that'll 1878 01:06:40,390 --> 01:06:38,160 direct you over to the real videos over 1879 01:06:42,230 --> 01:06:40,400 on bitshoot and all the other places 1880 01:06:43,349 --> 01:06:42,240 that you can find pam it's been 1881 01:06:46,309 --> 01:06:43,359 absolutely 1882 01:06:49,109 --> 01:06:46,319 terrific having you on you are so 1883 01:06:50,870 --> 01:06:49,119 inspirational to so many people i just 1884 01:06:52,630 --> 01:06:50,880 appreciate what you're doing 1885 01:06:54,309 --> 01:06:52,640 thank you for having me 1886 01:06:56,309 --> 01:06:54,319 thanks again to dr pam popper for 1887 01:06:58,230 --> 01:06:56,319 joining me today on skeptico one 1888 01:07:00,390 --> 01:06:58,240 question i'd have to tee up from this 1889 01:07:01,990 --> 01:07:00,400 interview is the in it to win it 1890 01:07:05,589 --> 01:07:02,000 question 1891 01:07:08,309 --> 01:07:05,599 can we really be in it to win it 1892 01:07:09,510 --> 01:07:08,319 what are we up against here 1893 01:07:11,910 --> 01:07:09,520 i guess that question kind of 1894 01:07:14,150 --> 01:07:11,920 presupposes that you've bought into the 1895 01:07:16,069 --> 01:07:14,160 pandemic narrative then again if you 1896 01:07:18,710 --> 01:07:16,079 haven't bought into the pandemic 1897 01:07:20,630 --> 01:07:18,720 narrative i'm not quite sure what you're 1898 01:07:22,230 --> 01:07:20,640 doing here although if you are here and 1899 01:07:24,950 --> 01:07:22,240 you haven't bought into it that's great 1900 01:07:27,349 --> 01:07:24,960 too awesome love people who stick around 1901 01:07:29,270 --> 01:07:27,359 and have different points of view that's 1902 01:07:31,670 --> 01:07:29,280 certainly what skeptica is all about and 1903 01:07:33,990 --> 01:07:31,680 that's why i'm encouraging you to share 1904 01:07:36,390 --> 01:07:34,000 these interviews and grow this community 1905 01:07:38,950 --> 01:07:36,400 where we can have intelligent bloody 1906 01:07:41,270 --> 01:07:38,960 knuckle debates about stuff that's 1907 01:07:42,630 --> 01:07:41,280 really important in science and 1908 01:07:44,230 --> 01:07:42,640 spirituality 1909 01:07:46,630 --> 01:07:44,240 i got some more of those coming up by 1910 01:07:48,309 --> 01:07:46,640 the way so stay with me for all of that 1911 01:07:51,270 --> 01:07:48,319 until next time 1912 01:08:04,870 --> 01:07:51,280 take care and bye for now